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I'm considering just throwing a clutch on it and see how it performs. If the clutch gets fried, I'm only out 40 bucks or so. I've seen several videos of people using just a regular clutch. Is there a more powerful clutch that would be a good fit if I wanted to stay away from the TC?
 

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I'm considering just throwing a clutch on it and see how it performs. If the clutch gets fried, I'm only out 40 bucks or so. I've seen several videos of people using just a regular clutch. Is there a more powerful clutch that would be a good fit if I wanted to stay away from the TC?

If you have a 420cc, then you will have a 1" output shaft. Clutches for 1" shafts will run you about $100, so it won't just be $40 you will be playing with
 

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My question is, with those clutches being 1 inch output and more expensive, are they more built for higher power and bigger tires?
 

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Bigger tyres don't make a difference to the TC, that's where gearing comes in; how many teeth does the axle sprocket have?

One more thing, you've been here long enough now to know not to make multiple consecutive posts, please use the Edit button in the lower right corner of your posts...
 

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In your opinion, would a clutch serve me good? Would really like to just go the clutch route. This kart will be mainly paved roads and low grass yards.
 

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In your opinion, would a clutch serve me good? Would really like to just go the clutch route. This kart will be mainly paved roads and low grass yards.

If you have a 54T axle sprocket and you get a 10T centrifugal clutch, you will still have a 5.5:1 ratio which is too steep. Even if you have 13" tyres you will still struggle.
 

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I've done a little research on gearing and TC but still a little hazy. Could you explain what you mean by "too steep?" Most of the clutches for a 1" bore are 14 tooth, making that ratio even smaller. I will be on mostly asphalt and just looking for a decent balance of acceleration and top speed.

If I were to install a 84 tooth sprocket with the 14 tooth clutch to receive a 6:1, would that be doable? What ration am I aiming for here for balanced performance?

If not, I have found a jackshaft mount that goes under the motor. Could someone give me the perfect setup for what I am needing. The driver will be a max of 200 lbs, plus the weight of the kart. I am wanting to use a 420cc and will obviously need a 40 series TC if I go this route. Below are the links of the things I am looking at.

TC - http://www.ebay.com/itm/40-Series-T...Clutch-Pulley-Set-Kit-Comet-40D-/331121741091 (I was expecting this kit to have a plate that mounts to the crankcase for the other pulley to go on)

Jackshaft adapter - http://www.bmikarts.com/Clutch-Mount-with-Jackshaft-_p_1129.html

What size sprocket would need to be on the jackshaft to run the chain to the sprocket? If I am not going about this right, someone jump in and correct me, please.
 

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"Too steep" when referring to gearing means the first number in the ratio is too low. It's also called "tall" gearing or "long" gearing. Makes for potentially higher max speed, but that's if the system can actually get itself moving without frying clutches or belts.

An 84/14 combo with 18" tires would get you to the magic 6:1 ratio and would max you out at about 32 mph. That said, there needs to be something to transfer the power from a rotating engine to a stationary axle. That something is a clutch or torque converter which has to absorb the difference in rotating speed. That's what they're made for, but the more weight you're pushing around equals more resistance to movement. The more power you add means more power pushing on that weight. Therefore, the more weight and/or power a kart has, the harder the job is for the clutch/TC. Proper gearing helps a lot, but it doesn't solve the problem completely.

Oh, and the diameter of an 84-tooth sprocket might be a problem with ground clearance, too. Check that before committing. A 10/60 combo would net you the same ratio but with a smaller driven sprocket. That said, I'd still get a torque converter.

The eBay TC might work, but it's highly likely to be a cheap Chinese import trying to sound like an actual Comet setup. BMI has the cheap ones and legit Comet ones. Unfortunately a genuine Comet 40-series driver/driven combo will run you about $300.

The jackshaft you linked to will probably work as long as the exposed shaft is long enough for both the driven clutch and a sprocket. 5/8" diameter seems a little light to me, but I don't have experience with that stuff yet. Just seems to me the engine's output shaft is 1" for a reason.

I'm building a heavy kart with a 13 hp engine and am in the process of putting in a 40-series converter, so I feel your pain. The sheer cost of a Comet TC and jackshaft setup put my project on hold for a couple years, but hopefully I'll get it done over the next month or so.

In case this isn't all clear, the order of power output is the TC's driver clutch is on the engine's output shaft, which transmits power via a belt to the driven clutch, which is mounted on a jackshaft, which then rotates, which then spins the 10-tooth sprocket that's mounted to it, which then transmits the power via a chain to the axle sprocket, which is mounted to the axle (or wheel if it's one-wheel-drive rather than a live axle).
 

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After a little review, I believe the 13hp motor bolt pattern will be too large for the mount plate that is on it. I am thinking my best bet is to just stick to an 8hp with the 30 series. Anyone know what kind of speed I can get out of a Manco Dingo 285 with that setup?
 

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Depends on the gearing and is influenced by other factors, but with 18" tires, 6:1 gearing and a typical 3600 rpm governed engine speed, you should be able to get about 32 mph with a clutch. TCs typically underdrive on the low end and overdrive on the top end about 10% I believe, depending on the TC, so maybe 35 mph or so. An 8 hp engine should have no trouble with acceleration, either.

Sounds like fun!

I'm running a homemade kart with a clutched 6.5 hp clone and it breaks the drive tire loose on dirt and grass and nearly hits 30 mph. Lots of fun, but a little more power would be ideal. As always. :)
 
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