hammerhead twister (re)build

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I can't think of a creative intro here, so I'll just jump in to the facts and ideas.

This project started with the procurement of a honda clone 13hp engine for cheap, and need to do something fun with it.. while searching for a suitable (read: any) frame, I stumbled across someone selling a used twister 150 with a locked up engine. After some discussion (all polite) I came home with this hog:


(I'm not in the picture, these are just accomplices in crime)

we got it running, but it smoked. A lot.


It also didn't have a useable airfilter, so I set about fabricating something, and ended up with this monstrosity. I'm a bit ashamed of what it took to get it on there, but all of that is just temporary, so, macht nichts.



the ever increasing cloud of smoke it trailed had me concerned about the plans going forward, namely:
fuel injection followed by turbocharging, so I figured a quick (lol) rebuild would smooth things out. to cut down on the initial development costs, I've kept it stock for now (in case something doesn't work correctly with the timing control and I melt it down hah). Depending on how it turns out, it will get stroked, punched out, big valves, and a hot cam.

Anyway, even in its dilapidated state, it can still do work


but I digress.. Parts were ordered, assumptions were made, plans were set in motion.
This stuff got here friday

NCY variator kit (with all the gee whiz other stuff, better clutch, etc), "rebuild kit" consisting of cylinder, piston, rings, clips, wristpin, gaskets, assembled head, oil filters (they're so cute and small). Sufficient, I thought, to solve the smoke problems that I attributed to a trashed piston.

Turns out I was only partially correct..

off came the engine


disasembly began


and when I got the jug off finally, I thought I was home free. Piston was indeed completely worn out


and kinda... difficult to along the pin-axis.

As it turns out, the wrist pin seized to the rod, and no amount of profanity, begging, heat, penetrating oil, 12 ton press, c-clamp, etc would get it to even budge. Me and my faithful assistant (the guy in the top pic with the beer) shattered the piston trying. I may give it another go tonight after work now that it's just the wrist pin and I can put something under the little end of the rod, but even then I'm a little concerned about the overall condition of things at this point.

So I went ahead and ordered a new stock crank (fighting the urge to stroke it.. man that was tough. if the parts were a little cheaper it would have been a lost cause :cornut: ), crankcase seals, flywheel puller tool and something else related to the process. Hopefully the goods will be here weds so I can put it back together weds night.

I've not *yet* determined how I'll go about triggering the megasquirt, but it's still a work in progress. main concern right now really is the electrical system, since i'm not entirely sure it's up to the task. As easy as the thing is to take apart, I suspect I'll be doing the engine in and out shuffle several times whilst getting this stuff right.

Oh, and cursory turbo pics:




it's so tiny compared to the stuff I use on my cars. haven't completely figured out where I'm going to put it yet.

As for the engine that started this whole thing.. we found an old carter frame with a Tav2 converter setup on it (single seater) hooked up to a 5hp briggs, the power to weight ratio should be outrageous, we'll need to put a different seat on there (more along the lines of a shifter-kart/racing seat), but first I've gotta figure out what's missing from the converter setup and get it re-built correctly.
 

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I'll get some tonight. after looking at an exploded parts diagram last night, it may not be missing as much as thought, and may just be dirty with a few worn out parts.
 

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Hang on, I'm a bit lost; you started this thread talking about a 13hp clone engine & now you're rebuilding a GY6? :huh:

Indeed. The clone drove the search for a chassis, I found the hammerhead, got it running, and decided to use the engine already in it (it has reverse and other things that would be difficult to convert over, however after diving in, it wouldn't be entirely impossible)

I have since found another frame for the clone, I'll make a separate thread for it when I get to it (in the next few days). It was a bit of a circuitous route, as most projects tend to be when they're started off open-ended. The scope has been narrowed, however, so it's all good.
 

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That's why we prefer you upload pics to the site as opposed to simply linking them:

1. some devices don't show them &
2. when you move them, the links are no longer valid...
 

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Let's try this thing out then. got the throttle bodies yesterday, haven't taken them apart yet (no real reason, still waiting on stuff for the engine), I'll be ditching the electronic choke & either use the spot where the shaft came in for the air temp sensor, or weld both sides up and put the air temp sensor somewhere else.

still gotta work out the crank trigger setup, but I've got some ideas there.
 

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I'm lost; I thought you were modifying a single cylinder 150cc gy6 engine. That looks like a throttle body for a fuel injected 4 banger.
 

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it is. cheaper to buy them in 4's. They're modular, so in reality, it's 4 seperate ~36 (or so)mm throttle bodies. I'm only going to need one for the gy6
 

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it is. cheaper to buy them in 4's. They're modular, so in reality, it's 4 seperate ~36 (or so)mm throttle bodies. I'm only going to need one for the gy6
A 36mm Throttle body on a 150 cc four stroke?
Are you sure that is not too big to run on that size of a engine?
What size of valves are you using and what is the diameter of the intake port in your cylinder head? What is the lobe center of the camshaft you are going to use?
What is the turbocharger mapping?
A one cylinder engine does not spool up a turbocharger very fast.
 

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A 36mm Throttle body on a 150 cc four stroke?
Are you sure that is not too big to run on that size of a engine?
What size of valves are you using and what is the diameter of the intake port in your cylinder head? What is the lobe center of the camshaft you are going to use?
What is the turbocharger mapping?
A one cylinder engine does not spool up a turbocharger very fast.

all stock currently.

It's a tad large. If the setup works even remotely well, I'll go back in and bore and stroke it and run the big cam and big valve head.

on another note, it looks like I can use the kick-start gear on the crankshaft for the crank pickup, so all I gotta do weld a pickup to the cam gear and mount a sensor to the valve cover.
 

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all stock currently.

It's a tad large. If the setup works even remotely well, I'll go back in and bore and stroke it and run the big cam and big valve head.

on another note, it looks like I can use the kick-start gear on the crankshaft for the crank pickup, so all I gotta do weld a pickup to the cam gear and mount a sensor to the valve cover.
Blow through or Draw system?
Do they even make a camshaft for that engine that has 112-114 degree lobe centers? Because that is what it is going to take to start spooling the turbocharger up soon enough to create boost early on most certainly being a single cylinder engine.Way too big in the cross section of the throttle body IMO.Otherwise your system could just become an exotic intake manifold and you will not benefit much from your turbocharger.With all due respect to you.
 

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it's not going to be carburated, hence a throttle body from a gsxr and not a carb ;)

It may not work well, but if all the sh**y carb turbos can spool it up on an otherwise stock engine I think I like my odds.
 

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crank and a couple other goodies showed up today, finally came across that castle nut that people gripe about (For some reason when I was skimming build threads elsewhere, I got the idea that it was on the side with the cvt. oh well). a little aggravating but not the end of the world. careful vicegrip placement and it came right off.

Can't say the same thing about the 20 tooth gear on the other half of the case. I don't have a gear/pulley puller (yet, put it on the list!), so that's where the party came to an abrupt halt. So far I've only got two shiny 8mm bolts that I can't quite place, I'll dig around in the assembly guide if it doesn't become apparent upon re-assembly tomorrow.

neat little engine, I have to say, I'm used to volvo engines (Which aren't particularly larger nor difficult to work on themselves), this is a nice change of pace. I think mostly it's amusing to be able to toss it around in whatever direction I need at the moment.

I set my gopro to take pictures during disassembly, I'll dig through those later and put em in the thread, and I'll probably do the same thing tomorrow but on a wider interval.

Need to wrap this edition of the rebuild up soon, I'd like my carport back to get the a/c fixed on my tow wagon - that won't be nearly as fun a process... more like oral surgery with rusty pliers... dash will just about have to come out to fix the control mechanisms that finally wore out after 19 years. I'll also get a chance to hook up variable traction control as well as ecu controlled boost, so it's not all boring a/c stuff.
 

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mega-owned by that kick starter gear, jeez. also owned by a degree of impatience.. managed to crack the case around the oil seal behind the kick starter gear.

Did finally get the thing off though, used the harbor freight $44 bearing seperator kit, and cut down the ear on one of the 2 inch clamps so that everything would fit nicely. Wish I'd looked a little longer at the howto's.

cleaned the case up, tig'd the cracks up, I'll have to hit the seal bore with some sand rolls to smooth it back out. been a while since I've welded aluminum, and oil soaked aluminum ain't the easiest on top of that, so it looks like amateur hour in there. Oh well, if it leaks, cases can be had. Pics later, fat boy's gotta eat.
 
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