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[lfatta]

My Fantic Motor Kart - Needs brakes and parts

Recently bought this kart on the roadside, the hub cap reveals it is a Fantic Motors kart. I read it may be a Bronco? It has a Honda engine and 160cm3 is stamped in it, it needs brakes and accelorator linkage, as well as a chain, and a tire or two. We don't know where to begin to find parts for it. Please check out the photos, we'd appreciate the advice.

http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/album.php?albumid=700

 

[itsid]

Wow.. a Fantic Broncco...

Nice find

Are those still the original turbines?
(just slightly different /way cooler than the Rupp turbines)

AWESOME find..

here's a nice restored one:
http://www.oldminibikes.com/forum/m...342-finished-first-fantic-broncco-gokart.html
can't seem to find a better image of the turbines...
if you have them: please provide a pic or two

'sid

 

[lfatta]

Thank itsid,
My son and I are very excited to start the restore. I'm not sure what the turbine is on the kart, but that's the way I got it. I did see that green kart, very nice.

Looking at the back wheel of the kart, what do you think the best/ easiest braking system would be? I was thinking of going to a band brake to save money. Also what size chain do these karts use? #35?

 

[itsid]

Oh I'm sorry.. the wheels..
because of their style they're called 'turbines'..
well, that is if you still have the original wheels which I think I see

this is a rupp turbine wheel for example:
View attachment 47910

Yours should be somehow similar, but with sets of two "spokes" being parallel.

I think a dual band brake would fit the kart nicely (left and right)
but that's not exactly easy. (making the actuating lever)

personally I think I'd reuse the disc you have.
(but an old style airheart caliper and master cylinder will be hard to find )
*shrugs*
Just pick a GOOD brake to protect not only the nice kart from crashing but your son as well

the chain I think was a #35 (by counting the clutch to have 12T at a rather small diameter)
but check yourself tooth to tooth distance should be 3/8" for a #35 or 1/2" for a #40

'sid

PS please try to keep the wheels safe from curbs.. you will not find replacements I'm afraid

 

[lfatta]

Here's an Airheart brake caliper I see out there for these carts. Is this the one your thinking of? I do weld so I could fashion some kind of bracket to hold the caliper.

Regarding the band brake, the kart has a live axle so I thought one band brake would be sufficient. thoughts?

 

[lfatta]

Here is a mechanical caliper from Airheart > http://www.airheart-brakes.com/cal-mb1.html

The engine is a Honda 160cm3, below are the engine specs (at least, I think these are the specs for it)

 

[lfatta]

(Here are the engine specs)

 

[itsid]

I was thinking hydraulic (150x1 for example)
for the mechanical brake you mentioned you need a bracket like this:
http://www.bmikarts.com/Caliper-Mounting-Bracket-_p_535.html
that allows the caliper to move sideways.
(the second pic you posted has such bracket (for a different mounting position)

if you want it to be mechanical.. I'd go for the coolest look possible:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-GO-...764?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3ce548c4
(I loove that caliper )

Anywhoo..
Yes, one band will stop the kart.. but two will stop the kart nearly twice as fast
and since it looks like you have a very small axle (looks to be 3/4") I'd go for two in order to reduce the torque on the axle.

'sid

 

[lfatta]

Here's a Fantic I found on Vintage Karts Forum. He has a break that looks original to the kart and would seem to fit right on without any modifications. I asked him where I can find one like that but haven't heard back from him yet.


http://www.vintagekarts.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=9145&forum_id=13&jump_to=64715#p64715

 

[itsid]

Now that tube makes perfect sense....

fantic is an italian motorcycle company (since 1968)
and that mounting braket looks like it'll fit a frontwheel axle of one of those minibikes...

So my assumption is this:
it's indeed the caliper and mount from a fantic minibike

see that'd be the caliper mount from a fantic freno

I think you see what I mean

Hm, I'll try to find out.. will get back later

[EDIT]
Well.. I searched for about an hour now..
cannot find anything specific unfortunately.
I've seen the caliper on a fantic Broncco Mini bike on OMB; but that's it.

IIRC fantic often had Grimeca brakes in the 70s on their bikes,
so I assume (and please, this is only an assumption)
that that's also a Grimeca caliper... but I cannot find the model or other details.

Sorry
you'll have to wait for J.foust to answer that question (hopefully he can find a trademark or brand somewhere)

'sid

 

[lfatta]

Thank you very much sid, I appreciate your time.

I looked and looked too, but couldn't find that "mini bike" caliper. The caliper you linked from ebay would have been a good one, but it sold before I could move on it.

I want to get this project moving though. At this point I like this mechanical caliper and floating bracket from Airheart for around $55.

Link: http://mail.tolomatic.com/archives/pdfs/3999-4106_01_MB1-CDB_bro.pdf

What do you think

Thank's again sid,
Lou

 

[itsid]

I'm not sure I'd go for the airheart.. *shrug*
I don't like the look too much (sorry.. that's a stupid reason I know)

IIRC wilwood has a much cooler one
called MC3
or if you want it to look modern MC4
http://www.wilwood.com/BrakePads/BrakePadsProd.aspx?itemno=150-8990K

also they have hydra mechanical brakes..

'sid

 

[firemanjim]

Patience..... Put that on your next list of stuff to get......
That's a sweet kart! To do it on the fly and reengineer it would be just wrong. Hold out on the brakes for a minute while you clean/restore everything else. It will give you time to track down the correct brake set up. It will come.... If you modify the chassis to use another type caliber, the correct one will practically fall in your laptop,in most cases.... just hold out a little longer. When you put on the right stuff, and get kudos from old timers about how "they had one exactly like yours" ..... And how nice and original it is............. You will know you did the right thing.....

 

[lfatta]

I'm racking my brains trying to find the right brake assembly. These parts are really hard to come by, even for the mini-bikers. If I could find a parts kart or bike, that would be ideal.

I'm buying some new tires today, and I'll clean it up for now till I find the right brake assembly.

 

[itsid]

No news on brakes Make and model yet..
but I found out what engine it was born with

Tecumseh HT 35 (150cc 3HP)

And correctly it's name is Broncco TX5 (1969)

Motore Aspera - Tecumseh HT 35
Ciclo 4 Tempi
Alesaggio X Corsa 64 x 47 mm.
Cilindrata 150 cc
Potenza/ RPM 3,0 HP / 3600 giri'
Carburatore Dell'Orto FHC 20.13
Frizione e cambio Centrifuga
Sospensioni anteriori /posteriori non presenti
Freni anteriori / posteriori non presenti / Disco su ruota posteriore destra
Pneumatici Ant.3,50 X 5,00" - post. 4,10 x 6,00" a bassa pressione
Peso 55 Kg
Colori Verde-Rosso-Giallo
Varianti Dune Kart

green red or yellow... (odd... green red or white I would have understood )

'sid

 

[itsid]

So.. not much..
BUT
fantic-guy has (had?) the exact same kart and removed the original brake in favour of a drum set up.

he hasn't been on for 3 years, but if you drop him a PM, with a little luck he'll get the
email and gets back to you

'sid