front end really messed up!
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...and although I have noticed this (pic down below)...I was hoping it wouldn't as bad as I thought ...but boy was I wrong
Also noticed tc was smoking alittle...it was a brand new belt so I figured once it wore down a little it would quit...and it did ...notice in pic how parts of the belt are splattered on the cylinder....just was wondering if this was normal..it was squealing and smoked some when I first ran it but now squealing is gone and not smoking...just wondering if this was normal...sorry if its alittle of subject but was curious
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OzFab
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Ok, I'll tackle the tc first as it will be shorter:
Take it apart & clean it! Due to the rust, the belt didn't have a smooth bed for itself (hence the squealing) so it had to create one (hence the smoke & rubber all over the engine). Now that it's done so, it's settled down but has considreably shortened the life of the belt.
Now to the steering: Something... no wait, everything is wrong! something isn't original:
1. yes, the washers on the stubs shouldn't be there
2. the right (left of pic) steering arm is bent
3. both tierods are bent
4. If they were straight, the tierods won't clear the frame
Now I'll address each point in more detail:
1. My guess is that the wheels are not original &, because whoever replaced them didn't check for offset, the centre hub is farther out than the original rims, which puts the edge of the rim too close to the steering arm.
Another possibility is that the spindles were changed, which would explain about 3 points...
2. That's an easy fix, simply a matter of heating & resetting to the correct position. I say heating because simple bashing it back into position will leave it vulnerable to bend again. By heating it you're not stressing the metal & it will be more inclined to stay put...
3 & 4. Obviously, there was a reason for this. With the current setup, there's no way the tierods will work correctly if they were straight, they would hit the frame, further reinforcing my belief that the spindles are not original; what to do to solve this problem will need further investigation & discussion
There are one or two other point I haven't mentioned (like the lack of ackermann) because it probably wasn't part of the original design...
Oh, BTW, the steering is not straight in the first pic, it's a few degrees to the left...
One last thing: Please try to use the edit button as opposed to making multiple posts...
Take it apart & clean it! Due to the rust, the belt didn't have a smooth bed for itself (hence the squealing) so it had to create one (hence the smoke & rubber all over the engine). Now that it's done so, it's settled down but has considreably shortened the life of the belt.
Now to the steering: Something... no wait, everything is wrong! something isn't original:
1. yes, the washers on the stubs shouldn't be there
2. the right (left of pic) steering arm is bent
3. both tierods are bent
4. If they were straight, the tierods won't clear the frame
Now I'll address each point in more detail:
1. My guess is that the wheels are not original &, because whoever replaced them didn't check for offset, the centre hub is farther out than the original rims, which puts the edge of the rim too close to the steering arm.
Another possibility is that the spindles were changed, which would explain about 3 points...
2. That's an easy fix, simply a matter of heating & resetting to the correct position. I say heating because simple bashing it back into position will leave it vulnerable to bend again. By heating it you're not stressing the metal & it will be more inclined to stay put...
3 & 4. Obviously, there was a reason for this. With the current setup, there's no way the tierods will work correctly if they were straight, they would hit the frame, further reinforcing my belief that the spindles are not original; what to do to solve this problem will need further investigation & discussion
There are one or two other point I haven't mentioned (like the lack of ackermann) because it probably wasn't part of the original design...
Oh, BTW, the steering is not straight in the first pic, it's a few degrees to the left...
One last thing: Please try to use the edit button as opposed to making multiple posts...
Yeah I know its all messed up lol...I'm gonna tear it all apart and redo it over again...I just wanted to test drive it first....I've been reading about ackermann here In the forums and trying to gain more knowledge about it...so any advice like what u given me is very appreciated! Thx
P.s the only reason y I made multiple post was for some reason taptalk won't let me post more then two pictures with every post...not sure y that is ....sorry about that
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P.s the only reason y I made multiple post was for some reason taptalk won't let me post more then two pictures with every post...not sure y that is ....sorry about that
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OzFab
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Re: Simple Ackermann mod
As I said, the first thing to do is fix the bent steering arm. You'll then need to add more washers to balance the wheels offset. If you know someone with a metal lathe, see if they can turn up some solid spacers for you. I'd do it but, I think you're a bit far away...
The next step will be to find a straight line across the kart, from one steering arm to the other, that will clear the frame. That will become the path of the tierods. Note: The pitman arm will probably need modifying but, it's gonna get it anyway
As I said, the first thing to do is fix the bent steering arm. You'll then need to add more washers to balance the wheels offset. If you know someone with a metal lathe, see if they can turn up some solid spacers for you. I'd do it but, I think you're a bit far away...
The next step will be to find a straight line across the kart, from one steering arm to the other, that will clear the frame. That will become the path of the tierods. Note: The pitman arm will probably need modifying but, it's gonna get it anyway
OzFab
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No prob. If you need any help, just ask...
danssoslow
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Lowes sells brass and metal bushings in pretty large diameters and various widths that can be used for spacers. The prices are decent to boot.
I've got a similar issue on my red kart, the the steering arms are just flat steel and have bends in them to bring them up where the links attach. That caused abnormal bending and flexing and there is no fix IMHO other than to build new spindles.
OzFab
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Scout, start a new thread with pics so we can find you a simple solution...
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