free energy?

[gvfc2]

Since this site has a wide variety of working background thought id ask anyone ever try to make a permanet magnet motor? Like the motor is just all magnets. Use magnets to repel magnets to turn a shaft. Seems like it can be done.

I wanna see if anyone on this site can make one or wants to make one for that matter.

I've been trying but I don't got the funds nor the knowledge to make one without plans.

Been trying to make one now more than ever due to lose of power.

Let's see what you folks have to say

 

[B man]

Nothing is EVER gonna be free energy. sure you could make it. Problem is it would never turn for ever. also be very in-efficient. They make them. but there just little desk models.

 

[gvfc2]

Why do you say it wouldn't turn forever?

 

[B man]

Why do you say it wouldn't turn forever?

Well for one the machine would need maintenance(cant do that forever. plus it makes it non free). the magnets will eventually lose there magnetic field. (nothing you can do about that) Its just never gonna happen as long as theres Gravity and friction.

 

[gvfc2]

when it comes to the magnets if they are rare earth they shouldn't lose magnetism for well over 200 years. But nonetheless people with still try to make em. I want to try to make one

 

[B man]

when it comes to the magnets if they are rare earth they shouldn't lose magnetism for well over 200 years. But nonetheless people with still try to make em. I want to try to make one

well its really easy once you see how the magnetic fields work.

Its been awhile since i studied magnetic fields though. But there all over the internet.

 

[gvfc2]

well its really easy once you see how the magnetic fields work.

Its been awhile since i studied magnetic fields though. But there all over the internet.

You lost me there. It would be easy to make once I understand magnetic fields? Or understand why its so hard to do?

 

[landuse]

The chinese use magnets on their monorail tracks to push their trains along. They do it by turning magnets on and off using electricity. It is a very clever concept

 

[B man]

The chinese use magnets on their monorail tracks to push their trains along. They do it by turning magnets on and off using electricity. It is a very clever concept

Its genius is what it is. the way it works is the cars have a magnet on them. and the rails have two settings. Positive and negitve. Positive is forward negitve is reverse. when turned on theres a magnetic field that causes the cars to re-pulse from the rail causing them to hover. and depending on the train cars magnet being + or - it will move which ever way the poles are reversed.

And what it does is minimizes friction,which in turn allows for VERY efficient movement. They could in theory go as fast as the sound barrier with the right magnetic strength.

But you have air resistance and the matter of how strong the magnetic field is that determines its speed. so it cant go faster then what the Tracks will allow.

Id love to see them here in the USA and other parts of the world.

 

[Doc Sprocket]

People have been chasing the "perpetual motion" concept for a very long time. Good luck with that!

 

[fowler]

U would achieve perpetual motion

Maybe very efficient

Not sure how u will get motion with just magnets

 

[gvfc2]

Well in theory have the magnets set at 30 degree in the flywheel at what ever interval. Have the same pole facing the flywheel at the same angle and have multiple of it so it can move longer. Using the repelling forces will make it move.

Just like a pmm but replace the coils with magnets. In theory it willl work.

There was one person that did get it right. You should all know him as we wouldn't be where we are today without him. Nikola tesla. But the government knew about it and when he died they stole all of his research.

 

[devino246]

Maybe you should do a little reading up on Physics. The Law of Conversation of Energy states that "Energy can neither be created or destroyed." As such, ANY perpetual motion device is IMPOSSIBLE. It WON'T WORK.

Well in theory have the magnets set at 30 degree in the flywheel at what ever interval. Have the same pole facing the flywheel at the same angle and have multiple of it so it can move longer. Using the repelling forces will make it move.

Just like a pmm but replace the coils with magnets. In theory it willl work.

There was one person that did get it right. You should all know him as we wouldn't be where we are today without him. Nikola tesla. But the government knew about it and when he died they stole all of his research.

No, in theory and in practice it will NOT work. What you will get is a boat anchor that does nothing.

Tesla did some great things, but he didn't create perpetual motion...probably because it's impossible to do.


You can try to argue about it, but Physics isn't wrong.

 

[gvfc2]

Well ill argue it or agree with it once I've wasted my money and time on it.

But I hope to create something that achieves either unity or over unity.

 

[fowler]

I get where the theory is going

If the magnets are set in a way then the magnetics will push away

But it will only push it to a point where it is coming up to the next magnet
The forces u are using to spin the flywheel are at an equal pushing to slow it down

That's why electric motors use electro magnets that change polarity or turn on and off

 

[newrider3]

Nikola tesla. But the government knew about it and when he died they stole all of his research.

Not quite. He just stored most of his research in his excellent memory rather than on paper, and took most of it to the grave with him.

 

[91blaze]

See, there are a few problems you have overlooked with this idea of yours. First is the friction of the flywheel on the shaft, there is no beating friction. But, say by some act of God you manage to defy the laws of physics and beat friction. Your concept then fails to take into account the shape of a magnetic field. The field doesn't just push straight out of the poles of the magnet. Just look up "magnetic field" on google images and you will see what I mean. As the magnet on the flywheel approaches the stationary magnet, the stationary magnet will impart a force on the flywheel magnet trying to push it away. This force will negate the push that the flywheel magnet will receive after passing the stationary magnet. Therefore, the friction is the only force left acting on the flywheel, and let's face it, nobody can beat friction.

I went ahead and got an image for you: http://www.antenna-theory.com/definitions/magneticDipole.jpg

 

[DCProductions]

Here's a good example of how even magnetic levitation cannot keep something spinning. This Mendocino motor uses a tiny bit of solar energy to keep going, but still needs energy to overcome air resistance and the tiny friction on the edge of the shaft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHxHNS9gCfg

 

[gvfc2]

I've seen those mag lev examples. Well I have another idea. If you take the outside magnets put coils there like a bldc motor and those coils double or triple wound and only using 1 or 2 of those winding to have electricity running thru them and have the other winding charging it and then switch it to were you use a battery to first start it then switch it to use electricity its producing to run it. Would this work?

 

[jman231994]

I've seen those mag lev examples. Well I have another idea. If you take the outside magnets put coils there like a bldc motor and those coils double or triple wound and only using 1 or 2 of those winding to have electricity running thru them and have the other winding charging it and then switch it to were you use a battery to first start it then switch it to use electricity its producing to run it. Would this work?

It might sustain itself for a few seconds? Thats about it. By creating the force to turn the motor you are also creating a force repelling that motion. So basically it will start off supporting itself for a spin or two and then get slower and slower til it stops. Might not even do that. Lol.

Think of it this way, if you turn a generator shaft you encounter magnetic resistance yes? If you turn a motor shaft you encounter magnetic resistance yes? The fact is, if you increase the output of the generator with more coils, more power will be needed to turn it. You cant escape that, it all balances out.

NOW, something I did see which was capable of supporting its own motion was a little wooden toy. Basically it was just tapered piece of wood that rolled down little tapered ramps, when it hit the end of one ramp it simply slipped onto the next and performed it again. Put that into a circle and it will support itself haha. But you couldnt really harness power from that lol.