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I recon it will rip it apart, torque is pretty good on those motors(it is a 6.5hp right?, kinda lost that in all this) not to mention how on earth are you planning to connect the motor to what you have set up so far, that wagon thing?
 

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I recon it will rip it apart, torque is pretty good on those motors(it is a 6.5hp right?, kinda lost that in all this) not to mention how on earth are you planning to connect the motor to what you have set up so far, that wagon thing?

its a 4 horse 4 stroke.
I think i got the point the frame will be disentagrated immediately.
With all due respect, can you guys stop showing your distrust in my frame and help me with my previous post?
I am actually going to make the motor mount part of the wagon body, and weld an adjacent metal sheet to the wagon for the motor. that should help.
 

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Dude.... this is what we are saying. Everything has everything to do with each other, with your particular machine.
Everything is against the grain and doesn't sit well with what we are typically experienced with. This is why we cant give you the info you want.
We dont know how to begin suggesting this and that, with what we see is something that isnt going to work together(that is, with all the parts and materials you have chosen).
 

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Dude.... this is what we are saying. Everything has everything to do with each other, with your particular machine.
Everything is against the grain and doesn't sit well with what we are typically experienced with. This is why we cant give you the info you want.
We dont know how to begin suggesting this and that, with what we see is something that isnt going to work together(that is, with all the parts and materials you have chosen).

I am asking for the right chain sprocket and clutch setup. This does not include the frame. I know you guys can Give me some suggestions on this aspect. If you want to continue with the frame rant, then kindly dont reply about it.
 

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Ok...
I work with you but you work with us first.

Since this is the type of unconventional setup I have just mentioned, and you are an expert in its construction, tell us how do you mate a sprocket to the wheel/axle you have pictured.

 
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Ok...
I work with you but you work with us first.

Since this is the type of unconventional setup I have just mentioned, and you are an expert in its construction, tell us how do you mate a sprocket to the wheel/axle you have pictured.

Sounds like a deal to me.
There are four bolts on each tire which hold the rims together. My plan is to get longer bolts and spacers. To mount a sprocket on the outside of one of the rear wheels. Pretty simple.
 

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Okay, I'm not gonna say tear apart your frame or anything, clearly you don't wanna do that.. But For the sake of a wooden frame.. I see NO wood joinery! As someone who's built a few tables/work benches, and his own bed frame that doesn't squeak [Kinky :)] A simple hand saw and some practice pieces you could make something like Finger tenons..
hidden dovetail + wedge joinery. The "connecting pieces" at the front of your last posted picture, Those are no good for a chair to sit on, never less something moving.

I'm stubborn. Now I'm not gonna call you stubborn, but there is a better way to do your frame construction without the need of road rash, hell I say go for a wooden frame.. I thought about it with an electric cart, but the "Friend" didn't deliver on the power chair he promised.

But Please, PLEASE use some joinery.. and don't use bolts in your wood frame construction that are to hard, Use something softer, so the bolts will bend inside of the wood, not splinter the wood.. I would say B5, SAE Grade 5. They will bend before they break.

Also look at boat building for making wood framing stronger. Some of the better made boats are still made with wood ribs. [not large ships like freights, but personal house boats and even yachts] Look into it, might help with the construction of your kart. Trust me, its well worth the brain space!

Also for safety splintering issues. Some titebond and old white cotton t-shirts. Can make a strong enough "backing" as they call it in bow building. to keep the wood from splintering! and add strength, at a cheap price. Go to a thrift store and pickup 100% cotten t-shirts. Doesn't matter what color if you get a 2" brush, and a gallon of paint!

Pointless Story EDIT: I had an engineering after school class/thing back when I was in middle school, Built a crane out of knex [I had A LOT! of knex back then!] that could lift 400lbs. Then we had a contest to build a balsa wood frame 8 inches tall, and weigh like 3 ounces or something like that, Held 103LB's. another contest to build a cardboard boat under 1 LB that could carry 5LB's for 25 yards. I built all of these with great passion. I made 2 records, [the balsa wood frame, and the boat] the teachers were amazed at my skills and artwork I put into these things. The kid who always got in trouble in school, could actually do something amazing.. Sadly, I got a D on my next report card and got in trouble one to many times, and they kicked their best player out. Because they couldn't make exceptions... I was a stubborn kid, while I knew what I was doing, I didn't like people trying to force their ideas and "This is how you should do it" ways on me.

What I'm trying to get at here, is the idea may be GOOD in your head, but its BAD in reality.. So don't get kicked out of your own gokart.
 

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Okay, I'm not gonna say tear apart your frame or anything, clearly you don't wanna do that.. But For the sake of a wooden frame.. I see NO wood joinery! As someone who's built a few tables/work benches, and his own bed frame that doesn't squeak [Kinky :)] A simple hand saw and some practice pieces you could make something like Finger tenons..
hidden dovetail + wedge joinery. The "connecting pieces" at the front of your last posted picture, Those are no good for a chair to sit on, never less something moving.

I'm stubborn. Now I'm not gonna call you stubborn, but there is a better way to do your frame construction without the need of road rash, hell I say go for a wooden frame.. I thought about it with an electric cart, but the "Friend" didn't deliver on the power chair he promised.

But Please, PLEASE use some joinery.. and don't use bolts

Sorry im a bit confused. Do you mean wood glue?
The rear end in the picture, has reinforcments on the top which should help. I am completely open to suggestions on making it stronger, but i dont want to tear it apart as you already stated.

In the picture, the end closest to the camera has the two reinforcements on each side. Worked quite well
 

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Also look at boat building for making wood framing stronger. Some of the better made boats are still made with wood ribs. [not large ships like freights, but personal house boats and even yachts] Look into it, might help with the construction of your kart. Trust me, its well worth the brain space!
Will do!
 

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Here's how I'd start to reinforce it.
Red and the yellow are STRAIT GRAIN, Hardwood lumber.
that piece of lumber 2x4 in the left of the picture makes me kind of scared, with TWO major knots in it...

Edit: The yellow lumber should be on top of everything, like the reinforcements already are. The t-bridal joint, is not good for putting cross pressure on, IE: sitting on it like that, Its best for top down pressure, Meaning, that joint is there to keep the wood flexing left and right. not horizontal downward stabilization.
 

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i appreciate all the advice. BUT, its advice, not a command. Point is, my frame as it stands feels pretty sturdy. if it didnt, i would do what Daisan76 suggested. I am not neglecting your guy's advice, but i have a choice to use it or not. Most of you guys suggest to just stop this project. which i dont want to do.
Enough of this whole debate.

I want to gear it pretty low to reduce the top speed to about 20 mph. id rather have torque than top speed.
Where is the best place to buy chains sprockets and clutches online? links to what i need would be nice.

I want to gear it low, so what ratio do you guys recomended?
Also, the wheel im using is 10 inches in diameter and uses a 4 bolt pattern. im doing a 1 wheel drive. Link to proper sprocket?

What chain do you guys recommend?
Finally, the crank shaft on the motor is 1 inch long by 3/4 wide. Will this fit in a centrifugal clutch? Link?
Thanks guys.

Like mckutzy said, I am not too sure where you are going to put the driveline, but I wouls suggest a gear ratio of at LEAST 6:1. This means a 10T clutch sprocket and a 60T axle sprocket. You won't really want to gear any lower than that as the torque will more than likely rip your frame apart (if it doesn't anyhow). If the 60T is too large and scrapes on the ground, you are going to have to invest in a jackshaft to get your gear reduction using smaller sprockets.

I don't think it is really going to matter what type chain you get. You could use a #35 or #41/40. Just make sure that the sprockets and chain are all compatible with each other

All this stuff you should be able to get at any online kart store like BMI, gokartgalaxy, MFG etc. Chain and sprockets can also be gotten at your local bearing/industrial supply store
 

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If you want to continue with the frame rant, then kindly dont reply about it.

Truth be told, you are on a public forum...

I'm not going to suggest a gear ratio until I know the tire size. 6:1 is indeed typical for a go kart, but this is not at all a typical go kart.

A lower ratio will mean more torque, with the potential to rip the kart up. On the other hand, a higher ration will result in more speed, with a tendency to rip the PILOT apart- and I don't care how careful you think you are.
 

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I want to gear it low, so what ratio do you guys recomended?
Also, the wheel im using is 10 inches in diameter and uses a 4 bolt pattern. im doing a 1 wheel drive.

I'm not going to suggest a gear ratio until I know the tire size. 6:1 is indeed typical for a go kart, but this is not at all a typical go kart.

He says the diameter is going to be 10". :thumbsup:
 

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Here's how I'd start to reinforce it.
Red and the yellow are STRAIT GRAIN, Hardwood lumber.
that piece of lumber 2x4 in the left of the picture makes me kind of scared, with TWO major knots in it...

Edit: The yellow lumber should be on top of everything, like the reinforcements already are. The t-bridal joint, is not good for putting cross pressure on, IE: sitting on it like that, Its best for top down pressure, Meaning, that joint is there to keep the wood flexing left and right. not horizontal downward stabilization.
These are the kind of suggestions i want! I will do this.
When you say the 2x4 on the left has two major knots, do you mean the dark spots?
 

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Like mckutzy said, I am not too sure where you are going to put the driveline, but I wouls suggest a gear ratio of at LEAST 6:1. This means a 10T clutch sprocket and a 60T axle sprocket. You won't really want to gear any lower than that as the torque will more than likely rip your frame apart (if it doesn't anyhow). If the 60T is too large and scrapes on the ground, you are going to have to invest in a jackshaft to get your gear reduction using smaller sprockets.

I don't think it is really going to matter what type chain you get. You could use a #35 or #41/40. Just make sure that the sprockets and chain are all compatible with each other

All this stuff you should be able to get at any online kart store like BMI, gokartgalaxy, MFG etc. Chain and sprockets can also be gotten at your local bearing/industrial supply store
Does the size of the rim matter when choosing a sprocket?
Also, can you add or take away links to make a chain bigger or smaller?
 

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Does the size of the rim matter when choosing a sprocket?
Also, can you add or take away links to make a chain bigger or smaller?

What do you mean by increasing the rim size? Are you asking if it will affect gearing, therefor having to change sprocket size to rectify it, or are you just asking in relation to fixing the sprocket to the rim? You will need a hub for that.

You can remove links from your chain easily, as well as adding halflinks to make it larger again. You do not want to add more than 1 or 2 links as this will weaken the chain.
 

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What do you mean by increasing the rim size? Are you asking if it will affect gearing, therefor having to change sprocket size to rectify it, or are you just asking in relation to fixing the sprocket to the rim? You will need a hub for that.

You can remove links from your chain easily, as well as adding halflinks to make it larger again. You do not want to add more than 1 or 2 links as this will weaken the chain.

Ok that clears things up on the chain.
Yes, i want to know what i need to attach a sprocket to my 10 inch tires.
 
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