FINALLY got one!!

[firemanjim]

OK , I finally got one! Now, what is it? Its got a spring front end and a spring rear end. The engine and axle all tilt together. It has a steel tank, and a big thick padded seat. Looks all original. Scrub brake and kick stand..... The scrub brake tells me its old, so now its time to start doing some research.....
Normally, I'd just throw this together to make it run. This one is getting striped and painted though. Gonna do it up right. Been waiting to see when the new Rupp 2 speed kits are going to be available. This has bolt holes, where the jack shaft was. I want to slap a 2 speed in there.
OK , here is some pics. Do you know what it is? If you do, please let me know. Google here I come......

 

[jeeperjoel]

nice! no idea what kind it is, but that thing's cool!

 

[itsid]

looks like a sears trailmaster to me
(70s if I had to make a guess about it's age)

hang on...

'sid

[EDIT]
trailmaster:


http://jleibovitch.tripod.com/id110.htm

 

[firemanjim]

Well, I found it as a Sears Roper? Same images though..... It is from the early 70's I reckon. Hmmm, maybe it will be eBay bound......
How collectible ate these? As good as a Rupp? Close? This one is pretty great shape. Steel tank is not rusty inside at all.....
EDIT
Its a Roper..... OMB has plenty of info on it. Maybe I'll just sell it.

 

[itsid]

I don't know nothing about how collectible they are..

but I thought they all go by trail tamers... and had "trail<something>" as a model name *shrugs*
I might be wrong though..

Anywhoo, IIRC there was a 2 speed version , that I'd bet will be pretty hard to get and thus collectible

'sid

 

[mckutzy]

Cool little bike.
What are these two speed kits you speak of?

 

[landuse]

Looks like a minibike to me . Nice

 

[RobertD]

I bought a Roper this last year, but it's just sat around in the garage. Turns out it that torque convertor was trash, but was cheap enough.....

 

[2SlickNick]

Score for Jim...
Those vintage bikes are going for a 200-500 in my area in that condition. You could sell it but you have been searching a while for one. Might as well relish in the fact that you have one now.

If it were me I would strip it down, get a real paint job or powder coat ( no spray cans) and do it up right. Keep it original as possible. Since those came with probably a 3 hp or something I would just get a OHV engine and the adapter plate from OMB. There won't be any lack of hp with a 6.5hp powering it. Also you are only drilling 4 holes in the motor mount plate if you decide to sell it ( not ruining it's vintage appeal).
That's just me though.
Regardless awesome lil bike.

 

[itsid]

Cool little bike.
What are these two speed kits you speak of?

*shrugs* I'm not sure.. it sticked to my mind that there was a 2 speed sears...

maybe just the TC Robert mentioned ..


But I found a sears catalogue page...


see.. 2 speed 5hp, single speed 4hp.

'sid

 

[2SlickNick]

Oh well 5hp changes everything...

 

[itsid]

Oh.. look what I found.. it's NOT the TC...
it's the indeed a dual chain with a one way sprocket and a second clutch.
similar to the Rupp TT500 system

http://www.parduebrothers.com/minibike/twospeedminibiketransmission.pdf
and even better..
A sears with said system on diygk

'sid

 

[RobertD]

Jim if you're interested in re-doing it with the 2 speed, I have about a quarter of the parts, but they're crazy rusty. But let me know. I plan to do clutch or a modern TAV when I get to it.

 

[Young One With A Manco]

He explained it to me a while ago on the chat. It's weird. You have like 2 clutches with one way bearings and it switches over when the rpm's get high enough or something.


Scrub brake... Good luck buddy!

 

[firemanjim]

Got a pony in the race for a NOS 2 speed. Hope he wins.....
Also got in a new temporary clutch. Hmmm, now it needs an engine. Gonna put a 212 for now. Gonna look around for an older Briggs or a period correct 2 stroke. I'm sure some people where putting in 2 strokes
First order of business is to strip it down. I think once its stripped, I'm going to dip it in phosphate. It won't rust ever again,inside or out.... a light rub with steel wool and a good bath, then shoot some enamel paint. I'm thinking about using the industrial safety yellow we have at work. Its REAL hard once cured. I might see how much to get it powder coated. Maybe even chromed. I know a guy..... Wonder what he would charge..... That would look pretty slick, although not original. Still, how sick would THAT be?! All chromed out.....
We will see what happens after dismantle.
On a side note, my wife has bought me time off from work. She fell and broke her ankle in 3 spots and had to have surgery this morning.
Surgery was good. she'll be on her feet again in a couple months.
In the mean time, I'll be at home watching kids and working on this and my other kart project.....

 

[Axx3d]

Glad you are gonna go through it and bring it back to life buddy!!

Sorry about the wife man, that sux.. hopeully a speedy and safe recovery her way.

 

[RobertD]

Jim this is a better shots of what I've got. I was wrong -- not part of the 2speed system. I did some research on it when I got it, but I've forgotten since then. I'll have to look it back up -- but IIRC its maybe a Comet 20? It may not have ever actually gone on the Roper series, I really don't know.

Looks rough to me, and missing a good deal of the rest of the system, but one's man trash is another man's Ebay score! If it's the right piece and all that, let me know when you get to it and you can have it, just pay shipping.

 

[rmm727]

There's a Rupp website that sells repo 2 speed. I reverse engineered a 2 speed jackshaft mount for those Sears Ropers for a guy on OMB. Still have one left.

http://www.oldminibikes.com/forum/general-minibike-talk/81946-sears-roper-2-speed-jackshaft-box.html

http://blackwidowmotorsports.net/_13132r_two_speed_transmission_kit_68_69.html

http://blackwidowmotorsports.net/_713845_universal_comet_2_speed_clutch_kit_.html

 

[jeeperjoel]

sorry to hear about your wife jim, glad the surgery went good! hope she's up and about soon!

 

[rmm727]

Since those came with probably a 3 hp or something I would just get a OHV engine and the adapter plate from OMB. There won't be any lack of hp with a 6.5hp powering it. Also you are only drilling 4 holes in the motor mount plate if you decide to sell it

Its only those DB30's/Motovox's that you need to use an adapter with. 3hp Briggs and 6.5 OHV use the same pattern.