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Doing a factory restore for the family PC. Kids have downloaded so many "games" and "mods" for their games and "hacks" that the computer is mysteriously using most of its ram all the time for mysterious processes that involve excessive amounts of bandwidth upon startup with no installed programs or scheduled tasks...

Too frustrated to pick through recently installed or modified files as I bdldive this is just a culmination of a long history of downloading free adware, spyware, key loggers, Trojans, viruses, and other self-extracting sneakiness lurking in the ram, only registering for a 1/2 second in the processes in task manager before disappearing.

Already have removed some Trojans/viruses, but the hard drive is constantly churning no matter what is or isn't running. Grrrrrr..... I'd like to think I was more responsible when I was their age, but I was probably just as oblivious. Time for administrator login and permissions/seperate logins. Not that it will prevent anything, maybe just prolong the inevitable.
 

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Be aware that a simple "factory restore" (depending on how you achieve that) may not remove malware &/or may delete precious data... the only way to truly remove all malware is to format & start again but, there are other alternatives...

ALex, feel free to jump in whenever you're ready :)
 

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This particular restore reformats the windows partition of the hard drive (c:)The computer came with another partition for backup/facory restore and no windows cd. If I had the windows cd I would reformat the entire hard disk from the bios or boot disk, and create a new boot sector, then reinstall.

I just hope there are no viruses on the boot sector of the hard drive. I have scanned everything (including the boot sector) with avg and Comodo.

I found a fake Adobe program, fake Java, and random processes spelled wrong that appear like normal processes of the windows OS. Sometimes it's best to just wipe the whole **** thing.

Got a couple of videos from Christmas break that will have to wait until this is all done. I really like my smart phone, but nothing beats a PC for browsing/video making (so far)
 

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There's something I did one time.....don't know if its applicable or still doable.....but....it's basically going back in time....a "restore".....where you dail in a date before you overloaded and infected your computer...and it resets everything to where it was that day......you lose all your files after that date.....but it worked for me......
 

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Well...

There is only ONE 100% safe way I'm afraid, and that's a DOD Disc wipe, and a bootsector scan, then a reinstallation...

very ugly, timeconsuming and with an awfull amount of lost data (stored pics, videos, emails, and basically every dosument you ever saved to the disc in question)

So let's take a look at some "insecure" but helpfull alternatives, shall we?

First: it's utterly important that you remove all network connections from your family PC..
it mustn't communicate with the internet!
No if.. it simply must NOT have a chance to connect.
(Pull the cable, remove the wireless card.. whatever it needs!)

Find a still connected uninfected computer
to find malwarebytes anti malware (free version should do)
install it on the family computer and let it run, it'll take some time to finish most likely but it's great at detecting malware tools, and is able to stop and remove most of them without any further ado.
(maybe you need the chameleon edition.. get that too)

Chances are your installed antivirus is corrupted or disabled, so find clamwin on portableapps.com and install it (extract) to a usb thumbdrive from the non inffected machine, update the definition files, and run it from said thumbdrive on your PC.

It's a good idea to also get
http://portableapps.com/apps/security/kaspersky-tdsskiller-portable
http://portableapps.com/apps/security/mcafee-stinger-portable
http://portableapps.com/apps/security/spybot_portable

and let them shoot too.
That way you can remove roughly 95% of all known viruses trojans and malware that's older than a month.

Leaving you just with the most advanced and/or recent viruses,
and maybe one or two malicious software tools.

Those are the bad guys you should be worried about.

Now google for "sysinternals tcpview" (sysinternals was bought by microsoft some years ago... the tools should still be available)
and "sysinternals process explorer"
and since we're at it get
"sysinternals pskill"
extract them to the same thumbdrive as before.
neither one of those needs installation and can be left on the thumbdrive to run on your family pc.

Wait... I linked the tools, that's a bit easier that way ;)


Now back to your computer, run process explorer and carefully observe the running processes.
When in doubt, kill the process..
if it restarts on it's own a second later, choose "kill tree", if it still restarts, it's either a mandatory windows tool, or malicious (well few other software acts that way.. but don't get fooled by names)
write down the name and path (maybe TCP adresses etc) on a piece of paper.
repeat..

you'll notice many running microsoft apps (svchost) one or two will shut down the computer if killed.
No big deal.. remember the sub-processes they ran when you kill that tree,
and in case it shuts the computer down, reboot, kill the other one(s)

Kill as many processes and trees as you can, a stable blank windows installation should perform well enough with just a small handfull of tasks.. ten, maybe a dozen max.
(well, mileage may vary ;))

Note down the few you cannot kill without crashing the computer.

if something cannot be killed with process explorer, use pskill (command line tool)
Now..

run tcp viewer and note down the adresses those processes want to connect to.
(you can see most in process explorer as well, but there's no overview)
and which process it is of course.

And now the hard part:
RESEARCH.. from the non infected machine of course,
check, double and triple check each process name, location and tcp-target.

If one is NOT flagged on any page mark it as safe on your piece of paper ;)

if you see any "Warning" or "Danger" or "Malware" sign, see if there is a removal tool on the internet, and download it to the stick..

Right now you might want to get the update files for your installed Antivirus.
maybe even want to consider swapping to another sofot (kaspersky is good, panda not my favourite, Norton I'd not recommend [personal preference only!] I'm running a free Avira copy personally)

Anyways, update your Antivirus and let it do a full system scan
after you ran all the removal tools (or followed all removal instructions) you downloaded earlier.
again this will take a while to complete.. do not rush!, let it do it's work.

Now reboot the system and run your antivirus again (quick scan), allow MBAM another scan and finally you should have a system that's again safe to use.

open window's control panel and remove all the software you want to remove.
(especially "toolbars" are known to contain malware more often than not.. performance tools, system optimizer etc.pp)
remove the games, hacks, and whatever your kids might or might not have installed that could contain malware.

You should have spend most of a day by now but have a machine that'S finally safe to reconnect to the internets...

And you have not lost any image, no document, and no email you had on the machine.

'sid
 

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Luckily I have only pictures, videos and a few pdf/word documents between me and the wife, about 25 gigs worth (mostly vids) saved to a backup portable hard drive. As I was writing my first post I was doing it with my smart phone while saving the docs, preparing for the reset. I only save any file to one folder of my own that contains sub folders for simplicity. The wife only saves pics and important docs to my pics/my docs so that made it easy to back up old-school copy paste.

About 150 gigs of space was occupied by my son's 'games' and other programs, which he believes are just mods, but are actually adware etc.. tagged on to free stuff (still he clicks), maybe caught a few computer transmitted diseases while surfing the net at not so trustworthy sites.. I installed the windows live family filter to keep tabs on where the kiddos are going online (diygokarts is too lame for him, so i have no worries there).

I'm writing this from our factory reset computer, and am loving that the only sounds I am hearing are: my 3 yr old daughter crying in her room because she doesn't want to go to sleep, zippers in the dryer clanging against the metal drum, a faint hum of the fan over my head, the power supply cooling fan on the PC, the occasional I-phone reminder from my wifes phone, and possibly a little tinnitus/heart beat in my left ear (hopefully its not a brain tumor or tinnitus or high blood pressure). No more incessant hard drive accessing!!!

I took a screen shot of all the current processes used by all users, and will use it for a reference in the future.

Now for which antivirus, I'm with you on Norton. I hate how intrusive/resource hogging the antivirus programs are, but they are better than the alternative. Have you ever heard of McAfee?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg

hahaha! Probably not getting that one either, but remember it from a few years ago. I'm a fan of free, but effective. Kind of like Mozilla firefox, which i use, not because its free, but because of the company goals to provide a secure, quality web browser. Makes me wonder if there is any sustainable antivirus program out there that has the goal of being non-resource hogging, user friendly, and effective without wanting to constantly remind you to upgrade, scan your computer incessantly, scare you into buying more crap, or install other crap that you don't need. You may have already mentioned some of that in your post. In a previous life many years ago, I cared more about technology/programming etc, but have since lost interest in the technicalities of it. I guess my point is that I appreciate the write up, but i took the easy way out even before you wrote it :-( I do need to get an antivirus/internet security program just as a little net for the loads of crap that will soon be put on this machine. Any suggestions with pros/cons?
 

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Screw you McAfee!!! On a side note, if germany can make a good gun (sig sauer) they can probably make a good antivirus (avira) :)
 

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I'm now officially a fan of John McAfee!!

Not his Antivirus though.. it's not in the list above because I not only not recommend it (so it's unimportant in the list) but I recommend NOT to use it on basically every other occasion.
Because yes I know and I had to deal with McAfee Software on more than one occasion unfortunately :(

Norton has had great software in the years...
the Antivirus never made it to that list for me I'm afraid.

Sadly they bought sygate (maker of my beloved and still in use firewall)
of course it's now no more available but well.. macromedia & discreet made great software too and are now labeled ADOBE and are not too great anymore (still above average though ;)) too.. so I guess we have to live with that as well :(

Yes, Avira it's the best free Antivirus there is in my opinion.
it's not too intrusive, it updates daily and it's heuristics can be set to detect nearly anything.

Kaspersky is (by detection rate) the best though.
it's just too parenting for my taste ;)

And yes, Glock, Sig Sauer, Walther all great german guns.
But as much as I adore the craftmanship and mechanics behind a gun,
sometimes even the aesthetics of a design...
I'm not an enthusiast for guns... I grin when I shoot -as all testosteronians do-
but I wouldn't want one in my house.

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I/we use Avast here... aint had a bug yet(even back in my World of Warcrap days). None intrusive... doesnt utilize much CPU... consistent updates/notifications. Easy to maneuver around... works in conjunction w/ installed programs to keep up to date releases (ei. flash/adobe/shockwave), which could be access points for hackers/virus's, if not kept updated. It's what every gamer (Ive known) has.

... and yep it's free!... or else I wouldn't use it.

And I wont even 'use' a computer w/ Nortons/McAffee on it. Both bury themselves TOO deep into your system that getting em out (when tired of em) is harder than splitting hairs on a pigs rear.
 

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The 3 programs I put on Every computer I fix for friends and family are ~ Avast ~ Tuneup utilities ~ malwarebytes ~ and Combofix~. I use COMBOFIX < a program that is a free DL > to clean peoples systems they bring to me, cause they are running slow.
If it were me,,, I would first go to Windows web site,, and download the Windows operating system you have the COA code for, You'll be downloading the file in an ISO format, then burn that file to a DVD disc, and Tada,, you now have a windows installation disc. If you don't have your COA,,, you can download a program that will Find all of your windows COA on your system. THEN I'd buy a Brand new Solid State Drive,, or SSD hard drive. and install that,, then you can do a fresh install of Windows on That drive. and use your current drive as a storage drive only.

I've also taken harddrives like yours that has had problems,, and put them in another system, and ran the scans and clean up programs on that HD, as a secondary drive. This way,, the windows program on the affected HD is NOT running,, and therefore, the scans can get any buggers (so to speak) out of the Windows files as well.

You'll be amazed at how fast that old computer runs with the SSD as the main boot drive.
Also SSD's never have to be defrag'd.

most scans work better while the system is in Safe Mode.
 
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