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EagleTalons

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Should I get a Honda Clone or if I can get this Briggs 5hp flathead running. I will stick a TAV on the Briggs, but I won't be able to afford the clone and the TAV.

Also what good upgrades are for the Briggs? It looks like the same block they use for the Raptor 3.
 

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id go with the briggs.
and i think that there is a $H!T load of mods you can do to it.
 

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Got the 5hp briggs running and dang! It runs great! Just needed a new diaphragm and bang! Rigging up the throttle and that thing is going on my bike asap!
 

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Could you take some pics of the governor linkage on that? i took mine off a while ago and lost it, but i'd love to put her back together.
 

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Oh how bout half inch steel plate? thinking of that my friend has one in his junk pile that i might snag.
 

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go with the clone motor. flatheads are being phased out as some of the parts are not being produced anymore (actually for a couple years now) the shortage is in pistons specifically the chrome pistons that are needed for the cool bore (aluminum cylinder) you are looking at at least $100 to have a flatehead sleaved. also a good clone with the same mods as a flathead will make more power than a good blueprinted race ready flathead. you can make a 10hp clone for close to $500 including a clutch! try to do that with a flathead. here is a picture of my flathead on my race kart....





here is the inside of the carb...


now your talking a full out race motor here, this is what they call a controlled stock. it cost probably around $750 with labor and parts and still only makes between 10-15 hp. here are some specs...
bored carb to .715 with thin custom butteryfly and lots of custom tricks $200+
billet rod with r3 .030 over CHROME PISTON $50+ if you can find one
angle decked block and head cut for valve lift (no one cuts the eyebrows that much anymore) $100+
fully ported and polished $50+
header&muffler $75
stock flywheel
billet lifters and dyno cams cs4 cam 265 lift $80
dual valve springs $30
pvc valve setup $25
this motor also runs on alcohol ($5 per gallon) and will turn 8500 rpms plus!
your talking alot of money and this a race motor built to wka rules.

you can do this on gas in a clone and still have money left over to get a tav unit.

if you still decided to build a flathead let me know, i have lots of parts.

oh here is were karting is headed.... briggs animal... $1250 http://www.jcspecialty.net/img/pages/2.jpg
 

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it cost probably around $750...this motor also runs on alcohol ($5 per gallon) and will turn 8500 rpm plus!

Why spend that much, when you could have got one of these for MUCH less! (This owe's me $600, but I should get all that back from selling the rest of the bike parts. I got $220 for just the tacho!)



47hp, 6 speed manual, 11,500rpm. 2007 model < 10,000km

I just can't see why more people don't get bike engines. IMO they're far superior to industrial engines in every way (for what we want them to do).


So, my 2c, engine choice is a no-brainer. Bike engine all the way. (Perhaps a sled engine, but I like to shift and there's bugger all snow in Australia)
 
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if you can find one sure, but were are you going to find just a engine? i would would want to go out and spend a 1000 bucks on a bike and hope someone buys the parts....
 

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I've decided to go with the 5hp briggs and maybe get a tav unit. I can tell the difference in acceleration! Much better and way better weight balance. Now here is my question. Can a diaphragm carb have the gas can above it? Also can I mount a remote gas tank with this carb?
 

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What as like a scatter shield?

I talked to him and he says that it should fit from the left of my seat all the way to the right side of the roll cage. And high enough to clear the engine. I'm going to do this just to prevent the rod from going through the seat and into my back. and its going to cover were the fly wheel is to. which it sticks out about a few inches from my seat. i just want something just incase.
 

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Same here, no doubt in my mind a stock rod will go first, but he has so many mods and a billet rod but stock wheel.
 

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Yeah, Also i think fly wheel explosion is random and it depends if its balanced correctly and if the fly wheel has any casting defaults.
 
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