Dog Cage

[KartFab]

A guy had this perfect angel dog that was obedient and submissive, until he left the house. Then the lab broke out of his crate and tore up the house.

He asked me to build him a new crate and this is what we came up with/I welded. Not the prettiest thing to look at/cruddy welds because its rebar. Poor dog is never getting out now.

 

[itsid]

Wrong idea...

a simple solution but it'll make it worse in the end.

Find out WHY the dog tears down the house (no it's not him being alone!)
fix that and all is good.

A neighbor once had some fancy alarm system for example whenever he left home it
had an "ultrasonic" watch for his garage or something.. that drove my dog crazy when we walked along there.

(I couldn't hear it of course but my dog could.)
Took me a while to figure that out.

'sid

 

[shakey0818]

He will never get out of that.Only problem i see is moving that thing.It must be heavy.

 

[OzFab]

Then the lab broke out of his crate and tore up the house.

Maybe because he was locked in a cage?

Sorry man, I'm with 'sid on this one, nice work, bad application; over here that thing would be considered cruelty...

 

[KartFab]

Dogs belong outdoors in my opinion. The cage weighs about 70 lbs. Now I feel a little guilty making it... thanks a lot guys!

 

[machinist@large]

That's why I don't keep a pet....

That's one of the biggest reasons I won't keep a pet, especially a dog. Dogs need company; they are a pack animal. They really don't do well all by themselves. What boggles my mind is just how many people refuse to grasp & understand that; buy a puppy, and leave it all alone for 8,10,12 hours a day?

How do small children react to that kind of treatment? And you expect a small animal to react differently because of ???????

 

[itsid]

That's one of the biggest reasons I won't keep a pet, especially a dog. Dogs need company; they are a pack animal. They really don't do well all by themselves. What boggles my mind is just how many people refuse to grasp & understand that; buy a puppy, and leave it all alone for 8,10,12 hours a day?

How do small children react to that kind of treatment? And you expect a small animal to react differently because of ???????

That's a common mistake
Dogs need company, yes, they need to feel loved, of course BUT
they're totally fine with being alone for some time,
as long as everything else is in order.

I'm not too sure that they belong outside .. but I'm a downtown kid.. so there's not much 'outside' for a dog to run around..
thinking about my last dog
I had to drive a while to let him run freely.
But he was perfectly okay being at home most of the time,
we made our walks of course, other than that he was laying at my feet in the office, he was sleeping infront of my bedroom door (I don't like dogs in the bed- or bathroom) and if I had to go away for a short while he waited in the hall.

Anyways...
german sheppard (what else.. had two consecutively, never want something else)
he was a lamb, stupid as a square feet of brick wall but such a cuteee...
I had to leave him alone for six to eight hours straight every night for at least a year of his life.
And he never touched anything I didn't wanted him to.

I once was cruel enough to test him...
laid a sausage on the table (clearly within sight and reach) and left.. it was still there six hours later.

And, although sheppards (ALL, not only german sheppards..) are rather easy to handle and I wouldn't try the same with a gundog,
all dogs want to please their masters.
They do about everything they can to please.

So, it's either the dog doesn't accept the person as his master.
(likely if there's little to no interaction)
Or there is a serious problem elsewhere;
like an alarming sound, annoying kids throwing stones against a window to upset him or something else you need to fix.

On a farm for example it can be as simple as a fox passing by,
or as irritating as the emerging smell of burning hay or wood.
locking the dog in a cage near the smell of a fire, he will be scared to death and most likely will hurt himself in there...

And that is cruelty.

So, the cage looks, well sturdy.
I wouldn't want to lock any pet inside though.

'sid

 

[machinist@large]

That's a common mistake
Dogs need company, yes, they need to feel loved, of course BUT
they're totally fine with being alone for some time,
as long as everything else is in order.

I'm not too sure that they belong outside .. but I'm a downtown kid.. so there's not much 'outside' for a dog to run around..
thinking about my last dog
I had to drive a while to let him run freely.
But he was perfectly okay being at home most of the time,
we made our walks of course, other than that he was laying at my feet in the office, he was sleeping infront of my bedroom door (I don't like dogs in the bed- or bathroom) and if I had to go away for a short while he waited in the hall.

Anyways...
german sheppard (what else.. had two consecutively, never want something else)
he was a lamb, stupid as a square feet of brick wall but such a cuteee...
I had to leave him alone for six to eight hours straight every night for at least a year of his life.
And he never touched anything I didn't wanted him to.

I once was cruel enough to test him...
laid a sausage on the table (clearly within sight and reach) and left.. it was still there six hours later.

And, although sheppards (ALL, not only german sheppards..) are rather easy to handle and I wouldn't try the same with a gundog,
all dogs want to please their masters.
They do about everything they can to please.

So, it's either the dog doesn't accept the person as his master.
(likely if there's little to no interaction)
Or there is a serious problem elsewhere;
like an alarming sound, annoying kids throwing stones against a window to upset him or something else you need to fix.

On a farm for example it can be as simple as a fox passing by,
or as irritating as the emerging smell of burning hay or wood.
locking the dog in a cage near the smell of a fire, he will be scared to death and most likely will hurt himself in there...

And that is cruelty.

So, the cage looks, well sturdy.
I wouldn't want to lock any pet inside though.

'sid

'Sid, you may very well be correct about the fine details of dog ownership; the three we've had on the farm in my lifetime were all large outdoor pets. Two of the three (the ones with brains) had German Shepard's in their mix; the idiot had another name to begin with, but soon came to be known as "DUMMY".

I won't keep an indoor pet because of my allergies; if I did, it would probably come down to a fish tank or a cat..... And here is an apology in advance 'Sid; while I don't dislike dogs, if I have to choose, I'll take a cat...... Pat

 

[itsid]

I won't keep an indoor pet because of my allergies; if I did, it would probably come down to a fish tank or a cat..... And here is an apology in advance 'Sid; while I don't dislike dogs, if I have to choose, I'll take a cat...... Pat

I should've added "necessarily" to my post above

Dogs are perfectly okay outside, and on a farm I think that makes perfect sense.
It's just harder to make the dog a family member then.

We had two dogs, two cats, 18 rabbits (well one of the two females we bought hasn't been told that he's a female.. so yeah)
and over the time countless birds.

I didn't want to have any pet anymore..
I never felt attached to the rabbits or birds, but seeing my cats and dogs pass, really broke my heart.
looking in the dark brown eyes of your cuddly dog when he gets that injection... that's not something I want to experience ever again.
So he was the last pet for me.

I loved my cats of course.. but if I had to choose I'd prefer the dog anytime, everytime.

Oh BTW I think cats belong outside even more than dogs,
mine spend most of the day outside trying to catch a bird or mouse occasionally, climbing trees and doing other cat-stuff.

'sid

 

[Poboy kartman]

Sorry to have to disagree here but......I'm not a dog expert, but have watched shows on dog training, ect... by dog experts and it's you who are misinformed/ mistaken when you perceive kennelling a dog as cruelty.

It's perfectly proper and less stressful to the dog than you may think. Another big mistake and misconception is that while dogs are social animals, is to think that constant companionship is a requirement. Many people have "problem" dogs and think that getting another one will keep them from getting "lonley" and the original dog just trains the new one and then they have two "problem" dogs. Undoubtedly the dog is a bit stressed- but the kennel is not the problem. ....if it was - you would find the house in order after it got out.

Actually- a kennel is what the experts prescribe for a hyper dog that tears up the place when you're gone. He will adjust to it and be just fine. It becomes his safe place. But don't take my word for it..... consult a professional.

 

[fowler]

I'd agree with poboy

All our sheep dogs have never been inside
They wouldn't dare try to come in
And they live in a pack of course with dad or me as boss

But they all live in a 44 gallon drum with the lid cut off
The drum is in a 6x4 ft cage
The cages are in a line of six with a tin roof and back wall

They arnt small dogs
And they're absolutely mad
During shearing they run up to 80 km in a day
And top out at 60kph

So u would think they love running around
Not really
They love there kennel
They each have their own and no other dog is allowed in the others

When ever stuff goes south
Wether they do somthing bad or the weather turns sour they're straight to their kennels

 

[landuse]

I am not too sure that I like the small cage idea either. We have a cross black lab and a chow. The mother was chow and the father a lab. Coco is such a cutie that I wish I could take her with me everywhere, but I can't. She is also the only dog we have, so during the day she is all alone until we get back home.

At one stage we thought she was getting depressed being on her own, so we went to the animal shelter and got her a companion. That didn't work out too well, as he was as naughty as they come, and started muscling in on Coco's bed and food. We eventually had to give the other dog away to some friends of ours that wanted a dog.

I have always thought that coco gets a bit lonely, but she seems to be happy enough

 

[itsid]

Doug, I don't know what 'experts' you refere to, but that dogs are okay in a closed cage is pure cow dung.

Dogs generally have about the same perception as a three year old kid
(they can be trained better than a 3yo, but they cannot understand MORE than a three yo what happens to them)
So, if you force a dog in a cage it will be scared!
Animals don't like cages

As long as it's not closed... different story,
it's a fort, no big deal.. but if you make it a jail, they do not like it.
Just that simple.

kennels, for a pack of dogs.. no big deal, the younger ones learn to stay calm from the older dogs..
they can come out on a regular basis.. all good
(I personally don't like it, but that's just my opinion )

A stressed or even scared dog in a small cage (and that IS a small cage)
is cruel!

Dogs need authority (well.. they're okay with it, and if you're not an A55 it's fine)
But that comes with responsibility.

One time for example my Bubi (small boy; no that wasn't his name ) made me really angry on our walk.. the weather was.. well let's say english, I had an appointment I mustn't miss and he just did what he wanted, he jumped each and every puddle there was, and after we got home he refused to be toweled, instead he made a mess of most of the house.
I was furious, I told him -no I ORDERED him- to lay down and stay put, I toweled him off, cleaned his mess and left the house.
I was late on my appointment ...
five hours later I was finally done with the bone head of a client and came back home.. he was still where I left him,
my wife asked me, if I had gone nuts or something, he hasn't moved, not even to drink or eat, neither did he come when she called him for another walk, nothing.. rock solid dog.
I felt really bad... clearly my fault.
I think he was really scared that I bite his head off as soon as he moves without me telling him to.

What I'm trying to say is: You need to take care, not the dog.
If something goes wrong it's ALWAYS your fault, never the dogs.

And if you put a dog in a cage without him understanding the situation,
you may solve the symptom, but not the problem and in the end that dog is ruined.
He will not protect you, he will not obey, he will just try to get out of your way.
So if you hate dogs.. don't get one,
and not get one and treat him bad.

AS I said, a well treated dog is perfectly okay with being alone for some time,
always.. every dog!
There is no such thing as hyper active dogs.
there are just lazy as KCUF owners
(same thing with children btw... but don't get me started on that)

'sid

 

[Poboy kartman]

I couldn't give you the names of the people who have recommended caging the dogs just that it was said. My neighbor across the street does it and that is one of the happiest well behaved dogs you will ever find. She goes into that cage willingly every morning. Now I must be clear- this is indoors. It's not just a cage outdoors.

I've never had a problem dog. You are correct in that the problem is always the owner. However- puppies will always chew and if you aren't there to correct that behavior caging is the only solution.

I have had quite a few dogs. I had a pair of mutts red chow mix and black chow/lab mix and they were good dogs except they liked to get out of the yard and head for the woods. They came in and went out ( of the house) as they pleased. One day they dug out under the fence and were gone. It was Friday night and the pound was closed. We couldn't find them. Monday morning we called the pound and found out they had been picked up on Friday. When my wife bailed them out they said that neither one of them had used the restroom the whole time. My wife said they both took looooong squats and dumps as soon as they got outside. Abby , the black chow mix was more my dog (they were both everbodies but Abby thought she was mine). One day Abby came in with a bird. For two hours my wife tried to get that bird away from her to no avail. I came home and took 2 steps in the door.Abby is looking at me wagging her tail and my wife tells me she has a bird. I stick my hand out and say spit and she puts it in my hand. This is not a trained hunting dog just an obiedient one that I raised. Yes I know dogs.

 

[fowler]

no such thing as a hyper active dog

never seen a kelpie
although i don't think there's too many outside aus so i dont blame u

its all about what the dog gets used to

if your dog froze because u got cros with him
probs because he has never seen u that way before
which is understandable for a pet dog
our dogs get ordered around with a set of whistle signals
and a hell of a lot of swearing
most phrases cant be repeated and im sure a few new words have been made

but they dont care
they expect it
and yes like in a pack if they do somthing really bad like break a sheeps neck or tear its skin then they get physical punishment
not beating the crap outta them, jsut enought to remind them im boss and they cant do stupid stuff

again theyre not afraid of me for it they know full well what happens if they do that action
like a toddler they like to push the boundary's every so often to see what happens

then u have our cats
that a while different ball game
in their eyes they own us for the purpose of serving them
lol


i would agree that the cage is small
i rekon the kennel needs to be 1 1/2 dogs wide by 3 dogs long
and needs shelter, water and food in it

also needs a solid floor
have u ever tried sitting on rebar for a long while
gets uncomfortable

 

[Poboy kartman]

I never saw the need to cage any of my dogs so I wasn't very knowledgeable about how they should be used . I would suggest that the owner Google up some information on the proper way to introduce the dog to being crated and maybe research the best way to deal with the behavioral problems.

Simply sticking the dog in there as a quick fix could indeed do more harm than good. Modern day dog training magazine has a pretty good article on this.