Delco Si-12 Alternator/ Motor Conversion For Ebike Scooter or Gokart DIY Data Base

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BobDiode

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Delco alternators used for wind turbines now have a abundance of different after market PM rotors, stators, windings and controller options that I have been making efficient motors with for the last 8 years. In a 10 pound motor you would be lucky to find any off the shelf motor that performs as well at ANY price.

This is only my opinion. I have find this use to the easiest way possible to make YOUR OWN custom motor for YOUR USE!
With a exlent power, torque, Rpm and efficiency options.

Now that this is established It would be nice to dedicate this thread to people who do want to go ahead to design a motor. With these easy to get motor parts at reasonable prices there are so many options to use and improve upon. People that come here can attempt to make these motors as a group and do some accurate testing to start a Delta Alternator/ Motor Book or data base on every thing that evolves in terms of actual documented builds and test results.

Motorheads, Armchair Critics and Web Stalkers will zoom over to try and ruin a good thing being on their own agendas.

This would need special moderating to keep to the points of the motor discussions. Otherwise nothing would be accomplished attempting it. And this is what I will leave you with.:thumbsup:




A complete Brand New Delco Si-12 Pm Alternator can be purchased on Ebay for $200. Pay Now or under $160. if you win the bid. Only the SC (Super Core) rotors have the extra large high quality 14 N-42 H magnets that weigh about 2 ounces each in a captive magnet rotor lamination of 14 poles with a selection of 6 different stator windings to choose from to design your RPM and torque option.
A Sensorless Castle Creations HV-45 Amp 50 Volt controller can also be purchased on Ebay for $114. All that is required to get the Motor running is hooking up the 3 stator wires to the controller, getting a Astroflight or Esky servo tester or servo driver for the RC controller to regulate the speed. The throttle or servo driver needs a small 5 volt battery or BEC to power it. Everything is plug and play! If you want a Migura throttle Bob at Astrofilght will connect the $29. (on sale) Migura throttle to his servo driver pot leads for twist and go!

None of this is spam or shilling. Just passing on the best parts and prices for them. The line of sensorless Castle Creations controllers go up to 140 amps at 50 Volts. = 7000 watts!

The Alternator/Motor in the Video is a 5 Pound A/motor that will climb any hill and go 45 MPH on less than 1100 watts of power on a bicycle. The 10 pound Delco with more rotor poles and much stronger and larger magnets has a much higher power. I have not tested the limits so Be Careful! WARNING! you can loose your fingers if placed under the rotor when inserting the rotor into the stator and housing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1TBpc5DMoY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX166iDh8Fs&feature=player_embedded#t=102
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebYGTVW9z_k&feature=player_embedded
 

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You can start by figuring out your motor to wheel reduction then the rpm and voltage by the stator charts. http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/pmacurves.html
Remember that the Super Core or SC 14 Magnet Alternator is the one that will work.
If bidding on one they usually go for under $165. Or Buy Now at $199. 8 years ago I payed $450. for one. The QC 12 stator has the hightest RPM. http://cgi.ebay.com/MAX-AMP-PMA-Per...in_0?hash=item45ee505a67&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
I suggest you look at Castle Creations site for the HV series of controllers for your power options. http://www.castlecreations.com/products/phoenix_hv_series.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Castl...ries?hash=item4399808e8b&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Castl...ries?hash=item4399eed6ad&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Castl...ries?hash=item4397bb096d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

On these Alternator charts the Voltage and RPM is the only thing that relates to Motor usage.


Hooking up the Controller to the 3 phase alternator connections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBbC09nVs5o&feature=player_embedded#t=184
 

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You can start by figuring out your motor to wheel reduction then the rpm and voltage by the stator charts. http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/pmacurves.html
Remember that the Super Core or SC 14 Magnet Alternator is the one that will work.
If bidding on one they usually go for under $165. Or Buy Now at $199. 8 years ago I payed $450. for one. The QC 12 stator has the hightest RPM. http://cgi.ebay.com/MAX-AMP-PMA-Per...in_0?hash=item45ee505a67&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
I suggest you look at Castle Creations site for the HV series of controllers for your power options. http://www.castlecreations.com/products/phoenix_hv_series.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Castl...ries?hash=item4399808e8b&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Castl...ries?hash=item4399eed6ad&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Castl...ries?hash=item4397bb096d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

On these Alternator charts the Voltage and RPM is the only thing that relates to Motor usage.


Hooking up the Controller to the 3 phase alternator connections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBbC09nVs5o&feature=player_embedded#t=184

Hey BobDiode,
I want to see this thread, but don't confuse the subject with
a video about an alternator for a wind generator.
We want a cheap and a simple motor for our scooter, bike
or gokart.
First how do we identify a Si 12 delco, what does the Si 12 mean?
Can we start with a standard rotor and get a running system and then upgrade to a Permanant Magnet type rotor for better
efficiency and more power?
I remember something about hall sensors, can a running system be built without them?
When are hall sensors needed?
Thanks, Qmavam
 

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Hey BobDiode,
I want to see this thread, but don't confuse the subject with
a video about an alternator for a wind generator.
We want a cheap and a simple motor for our scooter, bike
or gokart.
First how do we identify a Si 12 delco, what does the Si 12 mean?
Can we start with a standard rotor and get a running system and then upgrade to a Permanant Magnet type rotor for better
efficiency and more power?
I remember something about hall sensors, can a running system be built without them?
When are hall sensors needed?
Thanks, Qmavam

Hall sensor controllers are used for faster high torque low rpm starts. It is hard to find these with good quality at a decent price. Sensor placement is also critical and is not recomended without expearence.
Delco SI 10 or SI 12 is the model number.
You can use a castle creations HV controller and use 6 volts to the rotor field wires to do what you want.
 

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When converted to permanent magnet, an input voltage can be applied to make the rotor spin?

When doing so, are the charts above of any use for figuring out amp draw and rpm?
 
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