DeadRift-Drift Trike project

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"Hey Dad, we gotta build some of these!"
So how many of you got in over you head with a sentence like that? Now I've wanted to build a drift trike for a long time, but my original vision was a pedal powered machine. But age has set in and I haven't build anything with a gas engine yet, so this will be my last hurrah into youthful exuberance.
As I've mentioned in a previous post, My experience with Karting and mini bikes is limited. But I've build many varieties of pedal bikes over the last decade and I also was a BattleBots! contestant, so I'm no stranger to drivelines and creative assembly.

I've got a few minutes of drive time on my sons machine and I have a few observations.
There seems to a tendency to overpower these things, my sons trike has a 5.5hp motor on his and it just feels like overkill. I understand that the powered drift trike came primarily from the karting community and that knowledge was used for the back half. I just feel that 1" axles and other karting accoutrements are too much for the front half, so I'm building with some lighter gauge stuff. And a much smaller motor.

I've also seen many people say that the PVC is too slick, not true. I'm going to have to cut down the sleeves I'm using to reduce the amount of bite we're getting.

For me, drifting is more of a style thing and less of a speed thing, my advice is don't build a drift trike if all you care about is going fast.

My frame was designed around triangles and minimum use of materials. Donor bike was a '54 Roadmaster from Cleveland Welding Company. I've sorta created a bad flex spot where the "X" crosses, but "X" frames have been done before and the only bad thing I've ever heard about them is a lack of leg room. Kinda' works the opposite in this case.

So here's some pics.





Redesigned throttle, governor is completely gone.


The FrankenJig, has served me on a couple of bikes, came thru once again!


The center support bearing. A part time bearing made to keep the long thin axle from flopping around too much.


Brake mock ups. I thought rear brakes would be useless on these things,WRONG!


These are a bit unproven, this is the "Slug". It fits into an 8" PVC pipe coupler. I want to create a lighter wheel, but this is some stuff I had lying around. Did I mention I'm tryin' to be cheap?


Currently the shop has been crippled by cold weather. I'm just about ready for initial assembly. No paint this go round, I like to make sure stuff works before I paint something, made that mistake too many times.
 

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I hope that bicycle tube is strong enough. But yeah looks great.

There is very little weight on the front of these things, plus it'll never see grass or dirt. It has less than an inch of ground clearance. My only issue I may confront is chattering, but I have to ride it first.
 

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Got the wheels done and other than the weight, I'm satisfied with how they turned out. My goal was less than a 1/16" runout and they barely pass.
One thing that is very important with solid wheels is balance, otherwise they'll shake everything to death.
So I spun them up with an electric motor I had laying around. Then I took a magic marker and just touched the high spot at the edge of the wheel. Then I placed weights opposite of the mark inside the wheel till the shaking stopped.



Next up is the seat.
 

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Looking good!!!

My concern is with the axle pillow blocks....

Looks like you took some budget ones and reinforced them....hopefully...the bearings are high enough quality....and they weren't in there when you did the welding......
 

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Looking good!!!

My concern is with the axle pillow blocks....

Looks like you took some budget ones and reinforced them....hopefully...the bearings are high enough quality....and they weren't in there when you did the welding......

They're from McMaster Carr, and I've used them before. The bearings are really good, but those housings, meh. I realize the hanger and vertical bearings are stronger, but with my frame design it would be tricky to implement.
The center support bearing will handle most of the side loads.

I stopped my kid from grounding the welder thru the bearings on his trike for the same reason you mentioned it! :D
 

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Starting to look like the finish line is near.



Put it together enough to check out the front end geometry. Very old school relaxed geometry. Got it down to 2 inches of trail.
 

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I just reread this thread. This is cool, but are you sure that little engine is going to have any power for this thing.
Most of drift trikes around I've seen have at least the 200CC PRED motor.
 

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I just reread this thread. This is cool, but are you sure that little engine is going to have any power for this thing.
Most of drift trikes around I've seen have at least the 200CC PRED motor.

Me too. Like I've said, I've ridden one w/a 179 cc, and it has way too much power. If it is seriously underpowered, that motor will makes its way over to a chopper I've got sittin' around. Makes me wish they had a 100-125cc Predator.

Total weight of the whole machine is around 80 lbs (w.a.g.), and not hanging a 40lb motor off the back will help the handling.
I really believe there's a lot of reengineering room left to go on these things. I'm not interested in going 40mph on it. So I'm going for finesse. It'll be running in a few days, guess we'll find out just how bad it really is.
I should probably mention that this area is very flat, so climbing hills isn't something I have to worry about.
 

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Ok, so I finally got it out today. Well I can now see why the big motor is so popular. I can't spin the wheels off the line and it wouln't sustain a wheel spin thru a 360. But that saves wheel wear and as it turns out I have absolutely no business doing 360s. The Gs are bit high on the extremities.

The part that I like is the long sweeping curve. On my sons machine I found those difficult, but the smaller motor makes it easier to modulate, it's really cutting down the learning curve.
Gobs of top end, so I think a gear change is in order. I'm going to throw a 72t on it to see if it helps, but with the short chain length, I'll most likely run into management issues, I may have to do a jackshaft.
I may also cut these PVC collars in half to cut down the traction, the good news I'd save 50% come time for replacement!
Currently the front folk is out so I can get the brake bridge welded on, so no pics. I'll snap some once the frt brake is on.
 

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Sounds like fun. You could probably mess around and get a little more out of that motor. You mentioned a 72 tooth sprocket. What are you currently running? and what tooth clutch?
 

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Current setup is 11t clutch into 60t sprocket, with 9.3 inch wheels.
The 72t will only be temporary as there will be no ground clearance as well. I went sifting thru my junk last nite and found enough stuff to build a jackshaft that will get me to a 7.3 ratio. And since the axle sprocket is a 40t, I'll gain some ground clearance.

I'm going to throw a speedo on it before I start changing stuff, I'd like to see just how fast it'll go. But only once, speed just isn't that much fun if it takes too long to get up to full.
 

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Alright, I'm just about there. So, for one last time, I ran the 5.5 ratio with the speedo and got this. Just couldn't eek out that last .2 mph.



Glamor shots







Goodbye simple driveline, I'll miss u.



I call this the "4th wheel". Note the concrete rub marks on the chain. It would have worked except for this. 6.5 to 1 ratio and it's still not quite there yet. Hit 24mph without really trying. Jackshaft is next.

 

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Hey dad remember home improvement. The only anwser is more power

HaHa! glad you decided the join the fun.:welcome2:

Ok, I got the jackshaft roughed out, it should work. I was concerned about mounting the whole thing off the motor, but that's how a torque convertor does it. I'll clean it up and trim off the unnecessary stuff tomorrow.



 

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Quick update, managed to get it into an abandoned theater parking lot for a half hour last Sat. While I can't keep up with the kids death rocket it still is a lot of fun, and we did manage to get some attention of the condo residents.

At least it held up for the entire time, so at least it's somewhat reliable. The small motor does have some advantages. I'm not chewing thru PVC sleeves at a blistering pace. I'm also not beating the crap out of my drivetrain. And it sips gas like tea. I may have used a half quart of gas that outing. Plus I just don't feel like it's gonna' kill me. It kinda' has that "Turnpike Cars" amusement park car ride feel to it. But it can still go 27mph and that's fast enough. Jackshaft works great and though it looks sketchy, I may be able to cover it up.

It'll be ready for paint in a couple of weeks, more pics then.
 

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hey joekr keep the pics and detail coming. So interesting. Looks awesome. One question.. why solid wheels? That must be rough!

Well, I was try to get away from the flyaway wheels I see in so many videos. Plus I was being cheap, I had all that stuff lying around. I'm working on a new design, but I am going to stay away from the normal sleeve over tire. Now if I had access to a CNC mold cutter and an injection molding machine........

Good news is with a trike those solid wheels can't take a direct shot at my butt. On a 2 wheel vehicle, now that would be rough! The slight amount of overhang on the sleeves helps too.
 
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