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I have taken on this project to help out a friend. My job is to fix the drivetrain only. Intended use is for young kids to have fun and not die. Will want to limit it to ~10mph.

Two pictures are included showing the side view (driven wheel shown) and trunk engine compartment with the pulleys galore and a rather sketchy leather belt band brake.

Here's the parts list:
ESC - http://www.electricscooterparts.com/hookup/SPD-YK31C.htm

Motor - MY1020, 24VDC, 500w, 2500rpm. 11 tooth sprocket
?With this motor, what MPH should I calculate for in order to achieve some measure below that calculated number? spec for 15MPH and real world it's 10MPH?

Existing parts: one driven wheel is 40T. tire size is 10". Stock chain size is #40.

The electricity stuff I can manage pretty well on, but where I need help is the mechanical "driven" part. I have cooked up the following options:

1) Instead of the motor directly driving that pulley, I would insert a new concept. A short ~5" shaft with two carrier (pillow) bearings on each end. riding on this would be a better band brake, that same pulley, and a new sprocket. The motor would move a small amount forward and there would be a new short chain inserted to drive it all.

Decided not to do this because of the unknown resulting speed given the number of pullies. Also, the existing bearing on those pullies were not that good.

2) I gut it. I toss out all of the pulleys. Insert a new shaft that is about 14" long with two carrier bearings on each end. This shaft will protrude out of the wheel well and have a new sprocket on it that drives the wheel's axle. Inboard, there will be a new band brake, as well as another sprocket that has a chain to the motor's sprocket. Much like a Jackshaft.

I cannot go directly to the wheel with the motor because I lose my brake that way.
Anybody have some novel ways to go about this? Trying to keep the budget below $100 and I do not want to make it a live axle.
 

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I am going to reserve this second post for a list of parts that I intend to buy, so that when I am done I will have a clean parts list to go back to.

Parts list if 3/4" jack shaft. This is they way I am going...
https://www.bmikarts.com/34-Keyed-Shaft-_p_1045.html
https://www.amazon.com/Pieces-UCP20...llow+block+bearing+3/4"&qid=1574630475&sr=8-3
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FV5R2XQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1JFFMF6BJ7BL9&psc=1
https://www.bmikarts.com/41-Sprocket-with-34-Bore-B-Type_p_1049.html
https://www.bmikarts.com/Steel-Multi-Patterned-Sprocket-Brake-Hub-34-Bore_p_4137.html
https://www.amazon.com/Kart-Cart-Pa...1_8?keywords=brake+band&qid=1574555193&sr=8-8
https://www.amazon.com/PGN-Roller-C...9Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
https://www.bmikarts.com/Key-Stock-12-x-316-_p_16980.html

Cost = $ 110 after shipping. Most of this can be reused if it ever goes to a live axle and larger motor or even back to a gas motor.

If I need 18T on 3/4" axle with a #40 chain, this is a way to get this:
https://www.bmikarts.com/2-Brake-Drum-with-34-Bore_p_2670.html
https://www.bmikarts.com/Sprocket-40-18T-Weld-On_p_10451.html
but instead I am using an 18T with a #25 chain to match the MY1020's default output.
Cost = $ 8.




Parts list if 5/8"
https://www.bmikarts.com/58-Keyed-Shaft_p_1047.html
https://www.amazon.com/UCP202-10-Pi...KF00SWKR99K&psc=1&refRID=1NBR7CPV6KF00SWKR99K

https://www.bmikarts.com/41-Sprocket-with-58-Bore-B-Type_p_1050.html
https://www.bmikarts.com/41-Sprocket-with-58-Bore-B-Type_p_1050.html
https://www.bmikarts.com/Steel-Multi-Patterned-Sprocket-Brake-Hub-58-Bore_p_21526.html
https://www.amazon.com/Kart-Cart-Pa...1_8?keywords=brake+band&qid=1574555193&sr=8-8


Optional cost was to get the MY1020 motor a sprocket that supports #40 chain or #35 chain.
The source of the motor sprocket to get from #25 chain to #40 chain:
https://electricscooterparts.com/motor-sprockets-420-chain.html
part number SPR-42011C
Cost $12
I was leaning this way because I have a lot of #40 chain, but decided against it after searching a lot.

If I convert the motor to #35 chain (Item # SPR-3510 ) I could use the following for the jackshaft:
https://www.bmikarts.com/35-Sprocket-with-34-Bore-B-Type_p_1054.html

Found chain length/link calculator. I always order bulk chain, but thought this was neat.
http://www.botlanta.org/converters/dale-calc/sprocket.html
 

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Update:
Decided to gut it all. The original pullies and such had too much bearing resistance. The nostalgia would have been cool though. This thing was built in 1958. by hand by a wood worker with a ton of creativity.

My biggest challenge has been the 11 tooth #25 chain on the motor. Going from that to a 5/8" or 3/4" axle is hard. Seems I have to step up to a #40 chain at the motor and change the sprocket on the MY1020 to be #40 chain @ 11 teeth. Finding that in stock is hard. but I do have #40 chain laying around. However, the better solution is to go with #35 chain at the motor. It'll add $13, but give me a lot of flexibility with teeth counts.

So what I need help with now is what MPH to shoot for and if I should go ahead and buy two of the #35 sprockets of different teeth? I will put the pillow bearings "in" in such a way that the first jackshaft sprocket can come off easily



I am using this gear calculator:
https://electricscooterparts.com/motor-jackshaft-wheel-gear-ratio.html
motor - 2500
motor sprocket - 11
jackshaft input - 14
jackshaft output - 10
wheel axle sprocket - 40
Tire height - 10"
Speed = 14MPH
final ratio = 5

I will then use a throttle stop to limit final speed after weight/resistance factors in. Does that make since? Meaning, it will probably do 13MPH with a small kid, but 10 mph with a big kid.

I also hate that in order to get a brake setup that is a disc brake with mechanical caliper requires a 1" axle. I could not make it work with 1" axles, because those are all assumed to be live axles with huge teeth counts. I already have a 40T on the driven wheel and could not compensate for a 45+ teeth sprocket on this jackshaft I am building.

Going to order all of this Sunday night and pray that the sprocket for the motor comes back in stock soon.
 

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I was able to get 6.55:1 and 11.4MPH using the #25 chain and an 18T 3/4" bore sprocket. That sprocket is smooth bore and will require me to drill into the shaft to set it good. Will also put one set screw into the keyway. I am going to update the parts list to focus on 3/4" axle as my jack shaft.

Will put more pictures up as I make progress.

Probably next weekend when I work on it again.
 

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Very cool! For the braking you can set it up to do motor breaking like how a powerwheel ride on toy works with SPDT relay (single throw double pole)
 

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I got this done last weekend, but tis the season for staying busy.

Speed was good and acurate for the calculations. Torque and acceleration were also good. I failed to take a final video. The owner came and got it. Was cool to work on something one-off built 60+ years ago.


Pictures...
 

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