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ok, so I ordered the billet connecting rod for my kids' gokart.

I ordered the +.040 rod and a flat-top piston with .550 compression height. I ordered a replacement gasket of .045 thickness. It's a non-hemi Predator engine with no work done to the head.

is there any way to roughly estimate compression without measuring volume and such?
 

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Well did you measure how far down your piston sat "In the Hole" Before you ordered the +0.040" Connecting Rod? If you didn't measure, how did you know what Rod to order?

---------- Post added at 09:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:09 AM ----------

Bore = 70mm
Stroke = 55mm
Head Gasket Diam = 70mm
Head Gasket Thickness = 0.045"
Combustion Chamber Volume = 22cc
Piston Dome/Dish = 0cc (cause it is a flat top)

Just need to tell me where the piston sits in relation to the deck surface when at Top Dead Center. Is it 0.003" Below the deck surface? Is it popped out 0.015"?

http://www.csgnetwork.com/compcalc.html
 

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Doh!
I knew someone was going to ask me that.
You're going to blast me for my answer.

Any forum posting I've read has seemed to indicate that their non-hemi Predator was "in the hole" before modification.
(I think typically about .02 which probably is just a rounded version of your 0.015)

I made an assumption.
(wince)

The NR site seemed to pair this rod with that piston and since I didn't go to a thinner gasket I figured it should be safe.
 

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The Flat top has a 0.55" Compression Height. The Non-Hemi dished piston has a 0.57" Compression Height. So you loose 0.02" with the flat top but make up 0.040" with the rod.

So your piston, at TDC, should be 0.020" Higher up in the cylinder than it was with the stock piston and rod.

Assuming you were originally 0.020" In the Hole, your piston should now be flush with the deck. If you were 0.035" In the hole, now you are 0.015" In the Hole.

Anyway, my best guess is 8.75: 1 to 9.0:1.
But depending on where the piston sits in the hole, you might be able to use a 0.027" Gasket and bump that up to 9.5:1.

---------- Post added at 09:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:25 AM ----------

Doh!
I knew someone was going to ask me that.
You're going to blast me for my answer.

Any forum posting I've read has seemed to indicate that their non-hemi Predator was "in the hole" before modification.
(I think typically about .02 which probably is just a rounded version of your 0.015)

I made an assumption.
(wince)

The NR site seemed to pair this rod with that piston and since I didn't go to a thinner gasket I figured it should be safe.

Both of my Hemi's were around 0.025" in the hole stock. I think Non-Hemi sit a little lower in the cylinder, but not really sure. Never had one. I, like you, am going off of what I read about Non-Hemi deck Height. I think you will be fine. Probably even with a 0.027" gasket. I don't think you will be popping out with your set up, But always best to check.
 
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