Can't pull starter rope

[Bbqjoe]

Does it appear that the op has gone poof?
OP needs to return to this thread, because I must know why.
Ugly as it may seem, a blown up governor is not the end of the world
Given, that he can still turn the engine over

I felt pretty stupid when it happened to me, but I admitted it.
Surely, he can do the same if this is the case.

Also it might not even be the governer, maybe something is loose.
Never assume though, right?

Anyhow, maybe he has a broken rod?
Stuck valve possibly?
Something is wrong, and I need to know dag nabbit.

However, I’m going to guess the problem is simple and easily fixed.
Oil could be the culprit but,
Levels in the tank shouldn’t affect anything unless it is way too full.
Everyone here is calling things the way they see them, including
.myself, whether they are on topic or not.



Good luck Killian!

 

[Grape Ape]

Simply put he went into engine to remove governor and the cam fell out, well that would most likely make me think push rods came out of position which in turn does not open valves. If valves do not open you can not pull the pull cord to get engine to turn over at least cant pull cord far until the compression becomes too much. All the info or at least most is good, if he did not remove the head does not mean its not an issue with something in the head (cam fell out)! Cam operates everything in the head. Pull valve cover and inspect, if nothing is wrong there then go back into the bottom of the engine and check timing, etc., etc.

Good Luck and remember the KISS method, when it worked before and after you mess with something and it does not work again its most likely something you did so don't feel bad about having to do it again. Speaking for myself that's how I learned most of what I know (doing it wrong the first time)

 

[Mr. Spindle]

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Aw, spindles!

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Engines won't fix themselves! Okay KillanT, what you got? Throw it at me.


Aw, spindles!

 

[KillianT]

Ok so I removed cam and advanced piston one revolution. Now the problem has reversed itself. I now don't have enough compression. Thoughts?

 

[Bbqjoe]

Ok so I removed cam and advanced piston one revolution. Now the problem has reversed itself. I now don't have enough compression. Thoughts?

How do you know this?

 

[Bbqjoe]

If the dots are lined up, that's all there is, isn't it?

 

[Poboy kartman]

What does not having enough compression mean? Have you pulled the valve cover to make sure your pushrods are seated?

And did you line the cam to crank dot to dot?

We have to start there.

 

[Bbqjoe]

What does not having enough compression mean? Have you pulled the valve cover to make sure your pushrods are seated?

And did you line the cam to crank dot to dot?

We have to start there.

You can pull the cam and advance the piston forever.
But, when you line the dots back up, it doesn't matter.

He might just be experiencing the decompression valve working.

 

[Poboy kartman]

You can pull the cam and advance the piston forever.
But, when you line the dots backup, it doesn't matter.

He might just be experiencing the decompression valve working.

That was both of us....why you asked and I did. But right now....the information he has supplied so far makes it clear as mud....

We need more info.

 

[Flyinhillbilly]

A picture would be worth a thousand words in this case.

 

[welder74]

I can learn from a12 year old just as much as a 60 year old, there is always knowledge to gain here. On my hemi I used to long of a rod and took to much off the head and I had to cut my piston down where the valves hit, there is a video on this part it's on YouTube.

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The video was made the Jantic Journal those guys have good video's they helped me on this valve to piston clearance

 

[KartFab]

I got a pm from the op, just posting here on his thread to say no, the problem isnt fixed and the conversation needs to be here on the forum rather than through a pm.

I get the feeling we all need to read between the lines because he knows he is trying to fix it, but doesn't know exactly how all the parts in an engine work, so please be patient and we can all see if we can help him. He said something about advancing the crank, but i don't know if that is what he meant.

I'm going to go ahead and say to Killian here that you need to look at the basics of how a small engine works and only explain something to us the way you understand it, and not just use words because you have heard them. Just use your own words and don't be afraid to ask 'dumb questions' because I think you are trying to sound like you know a lot more than you do by using words out of context.

Please explain in detail, in your own words what you have done, and please dont ignore any advice people give you on this thread because the answer to your problem has probably already been answered but you may not know what the heck it means.

Also, if you dont feel comfortable explaining it, just take a bunch of pictures. Take the valve cover off, engine side cover, etc, spin it by hand, try to explain all the changes you did to the engine and any new parts and their brand/part number as well.

 

[KillianT]

Yeah...I'm confused but going to figure this out

I removed the gov and oil sensor completely. Even the last washer that everyone forgets. I moved(rotated) the crank out of the way to pull the gov out. Cam came out with the cover. When I put it back, I lined up the dots. I pushed both lifter valves in as they would not allow me to replace cam in its place. Put cover on and that's when I could not pull starter cord.

Was proper ****ed at this point.

Removed cover and advanced crank one revolution to line dots up again. This time, I pulled both lifter valves out to touch cam. Replaced cover and now when I pull to start it pulls really easy and won't start. There is a good spark from the plug and there is fuel in the carb.

I'm going to figure this out. I have no choice. Mostly because I'm not a quitter and will outwork this problem.

 

[chancer]

Pull the valve cover. It sounds like the Pushrods have come out from under the rockers.

This will cause the valves not to open and close. Making it really easy to pull. Like as if the Exhaust valve is staying open.

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Simply put he went into engine to remove governor and the cam fell out, well that would most likely make me think push rods came out of position which in turn does not open valves. If valves do not open you can not pull the pull cord to get engine to turn over at least cant pull cord far until the compression becomes too much. All the info or at least most is good, if he did not remove the head does not mean its not an issue with something in the head (cam fell out)! Cam operates everything in the head. Pull valve cover and inspect, if nothing is wrong there then go back into the bottom of the engine and check timing, etc., etc.

This.

 

[KillianT]

Thanks boss. Will work on this tomorrow and report back.

 

[Bbqjoe]

Yes.Take off the valve cover and describe what you see as you rotate the engine.

 

[Mr. Spindle]

The rocker arms may also be too tight


This is taking too long

 

[KillianT]

Thanks everyone. Rods were resting off the rockers. I put them back in their place and reassembled.

Tried to pull and rope about took my arm off and compression was blasting out of the exhaust. Got ticked off and went inside for about 10 minutes. Went back outside to video it to post here. I pulled twice and it started. 30 seconds with choke on, turned choke off and it purred. Backfired a few times but I don't care. Jet may be too much. Can go back to stock jet.

Can't thank you guys enough.

 

[bob58o]

You should of kicked it.
When all else fails, kick the SOB.