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Hi all, I'm an older poor crazy person from the Netherlands. Have watched loads of "cars and camera's" vids on Youtube. I enjoy crazy ideas and concepts. Got a bunch of lawnmower engines (all B&S after I threw some away/lack of space), and I've also hoarded a few small 2-smoke outboard engines. Got an abandoned motorized bicycle project, which I want to bring back to life with the usage of a turbo.

Other then that, I've also made my own e-bicycle with "crazy range and performance", and I've got a massive (to me at least) steel boat project going on.

Not sure how active I'll be on here, since I'm mostly a Discord user.
 

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Welcome to the forum! Post some pics of what you got and start a build thread :D
I came here for some specific small engine questions. That particular engine isn't even mounted to a gokarts, although it does at least fit the theme. All my other projects are kinda totally unrelated. ;) Already posted a question about that small engine, before I created this intro.
 

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Dont discount our desperate need for useless and unrelated pictures. A couple of us will stare at a picture of a beat up, 50 year old engine for an hour, drooling.

We might even check out a picture gallery from your discord...

Welcome btw.
 

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I am wondering, cannot Discord fulfill all your needs (questions, advice)? I think I registered there once...
 

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Dont discount our desperate need for useless and unrelated pictures. A couple of us will stare at a picture of a beat up, 50 year old engine for an hour, drooling.

We might even check out a picture gallery from your discord...

Welcome btw.
I didn't even know Discord had a picture gallery. Might eventually one day maybe look into that. And hmmmz... Maybe some people will drool over my Mercedes OM636 engine. :p
 

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I am wondering, cannot Discord fulfill all your needs (questions, advice)? I think I registered there once...
Yesn't. Gotta find the correct server which isn't dead, that contains the people with the correct knowledge. And that can be slightly hard at times. I also used AI, but I found that it isn't reliable at all. Especially when I ask it to provide actual store links for parts. That just does NOT work.
 

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Yesn't. Gotta find the correct server which isn't dead, that contains the people with the correct knowledge. And that can be slightly hard at times.
Seems youre looking for a forum and not a discord server. Where could one of those be lol???

Dare I say also, OldMiniBikes.com has some really REALLY knowlegable people.






...Just like here just like here...
 

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Managed to get a near-full parts list for the project I had in mind. It will likely cost me about 400 euro's, and that's excluding unforseen issues. So I won't be building this project.

What the project plans were:
I had planned to put a "RHB31/VZ21" turbo onto a 3hp 127cc briggs and stratton engine. This engine would produce way too little cfm to get this turbo to spool, and I found a theoretical way to get passed this: intentional valve float.

I had planned on weakening the exhaust spring, so I would be getting horrible valve float. That would kill both gaining more RPM and more power. But as I had planned it to be a static party trick, the nosedive in power, wasn't an issue. If I'd managed to get horrible exhaust valve float around 3300 rpm, I'd still be getting a tiny bit of boost from the turbo. This would mean that the exhaust gasses WOULD get expelled from the cylinder. Meaning there WOULD be an RPM gain possible. And because the power gains wouldn't matter (only the sounds and fire spitting of this turbo and engine setup), it should still be able to boost-loop to the moon. According to my research, I'd have to add a rev limiter (with a spark cut system lust like a kill switch), set to about 4200 rpm. That way, doing 10 second runs, all the internals should last long enough. Running 1:50 2-stroke fuel mix, would cool down the valve seats some, and would reduce the bad effects of "valve banging". (valve banging on the seats with the horrible valve float) With the carb infront of the turbo, you'd need to keep the intake valve perfectly closed during ignition, hence the question about better intake valve springs. And to keep the boost going up and up and up, you'd also want an very hot exhaust, so the gasses would keep maximum pressure. So you'd have to mount the turbo almost onto the engine block itself. Which should work decently well, with these ancient flatheads. Tape around the exhaust from the engine to the turbo too.

This way, the turbo pressure could creap up to 10-15 psi. But it would actually cripple hp output when the exhaust valve starts to float. A basic car alternator would have been a perfect dummy load, to keep everything working as intended. This setup would have been crazy loud, spit big near constant flames, have all the turbo spool noises and be rev-banging non-stop.

Can't find anyone having done this before, so in these days, that's kinda rare. But I'm just not able to afford the price for the components to make it all work. Good luck if anyone wants to take this idea and call it their own!
 

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Maybe I don't understand, yet, but call me a skeptic. I'm sorry you are not proceding with your idea.
Being "a skeptic" is totally fine. But did you at least understood the concept? By creating intentional valve float on the exhaust port, you're pushing more hot more expanding and more energy straight into the turbo. And leave just enough pressure, to keep the piston moving up and down. (hence an alternator also providing just enough load, especially because you can make it variable/tune the load)

As for projects: I've got way too many other projects. (like an old rusty/crusty 10.5 meter steel boat which also gets heavily modified)
 

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Without sealing the combustion chamber and slowing down the crank by applying a load, boost will not build up. Bouncing the exhaust valve at the end of the ehxaust stroke will suck some exhaust into the cylinder because that is the beginning of the intake stroke. It will not blow fire into the turbo unless you grind a cam lobe that opens that valve during the power stroke.
 

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Without sealing the combustion chamber and slowing down the crank by applying a load, boost will not build up. Bouncing the exhaust valve at the end of the ehxaust stroke will suck some exhaust into the cylinder because that is the beginning of the intake stroke. It will not blow fire into the turbo unless you grind a cam lobe that opens that valve during the power stroke.
Seems you didn't understand the concept. The turbo prevents the back-flow of old exhaust gasses.

There IS a serious risk of having the fire go into the turbo (intake side), because there are times when there is a full open space between old gasses (unburned fuels, rich mixture), slower burning fuel (2-stroke oil, which the engine wasn't designed for) and the burn getting slower due to no 100% compression stroke. There were a few others I think I encountered in my research, including wasted spark >>> you kinda really need better intake springs.
 

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You better proceed with this illustrious project Mr Budget, forget about the steel boat, etc. 😀
Proof of concept is its own raison d'être.

A high performance motorized bicycle is inherently useful for getting about.
 

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Please explain to me, how a trurbo, which is a restriction in the exhaust system, is going to stop exhaust from flowing back into a cylinder with the exhaust valve open and the piston either not moving or moving down? I assume you are hoping that intake side pressure will push exhaust into the turbo? If that was possible, the turbo would run by itself without an engine.

Diesel engine truck and tractor pullers, and diesel drag trucks use compressed nitrogen to spool up the turbo, build boost for launch, then rely on exhaust to keep it spun up, because without the nitrogen the turbo will not build boost until the crankshaft is under a load.
 
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Please explain to me, how a trurbo, which is a restriction in the exhaust system, is going to stop exhaust from flowing back into a cylinder with the exhaust valve open and the piston either not moving or moving down? I assume you are hoping that intake side pressure will push exhaust into the turbo? If that was possible, the turbo would run by itself without an engine.
People have made stand-alone turbo's spool up all the way. There are also people who add a turbo to a burn barrel (those turbo's overspool and tend to blow up). And most of the pressure/gasses already get removed from the cylinder, because the exhaust valve is floating. The pressure inside the cylinder when the intake opens up, will already be "low".

Keep in mind: this project would be a for-fun noise and fire maker. You'd never want such a setup if you'd be looking for actual power.
 
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