Briggs and Stratton 5hp (Flathead) problems

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hey I got a Briggs and Stratton 5hp with a custom muffler and a 21mm carb and its kinda being weird it sometimes runs and when it does its a smoker the second you hit the gas (Amazon pwk carb) can I get some help

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“Flathead“ and” performance“ are rarely used in the same sentence unless accompanied by “Ford”.

Well that's a blatant "disinformation". I know, I know, we're all sh*tposters 😁 here, me included you know, but the Briggs Raptor can make up to 20 horsepower on methanol and some massaging. Still can't hold a candle to OHV engines or my archaic Honda 185.

Also dose anyone know where to get parts for these engines can’t seem to find (performance) parts anywhere

For performance parts, I'd check here: http://www.carlsonmotorsports.com
And here: https://www.out2win.com/catalog/raptorparts.html

Brian Carlson's site looks like it was designed in 1992 around the time online commerce was in its infancy, but he always says to give him what used to be known as a "phone call" as he has more parts than what are listed on his site.

The key takeaway from the above two sites is use "Briggs Raptor" as a search term, not "flathead" or whatever.

Also, the Flatheads Forever subforum on Bob's Karting is another great place to lurk: https://4cycle.com/karting/forums/flatheads-forever.10/
 

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I have the Briggs and Stratton 5hp fun power and some specs are
aluminium block and head
full governor delete (no gear or arm)
Tecumseh intake manifold (so that a 21mm carb can bolt to it)
I am running 5-30 synthetic motor oil .5 quarts
and a custom muffler
 

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TRy straight 30 or 40 wt. oil to reduce your smoking and consumption.
@Hellion is correct Use the word "Raptor" when looking for parts.
You will find some on Ebay, also.
I have a pile of running and "rebuildable" model 13, 5 horse and a couple of model 10 , 4 horse engines if you need parts.
It looks like you are just modifying one project, though.

Head gasket cause sparks and oil to blow out the side. Bad rings will cause excess smoke out the exhaust, ESPECIALLY WITH MULTIGRADE OILS.
5W30 is 5 weight oil, with additives to make it flow like a 30 wt @ 100 degrees, C.
30 wt oil is A LOT thicker at normal operating temps. Don't use synthetic oil, use 30 or 40 wt conventional engine oil.
 
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⬆️ He's right. I used to use multigrade oils in my air-cooled engines but that oil (5W, 10W etc), true to the manufacturer's advice, caused an increase in oil consumption, some smoking and it even leaked more past the (already worn) crank seals. I use SAE 30 single viscosity oil now but if I had none, I would still use a multigrade oil in a pinch because I have it on the garage shelf.

The first number, such as the “5” in 5W-30, indicates how the oil flows in cold temperatures (the “W” stands for winter). A lower number means thinner oil, which circulates faster during cold starts, making 5W-30 better for cold climates compared to 10W-30

The second number, like the “30” in both 5W-30 and 10W-30, represents the oil’s viscosity at high temperatures (tested at 212 F). At this temperature, thicker oil like 30-weight oil clings to and protects engine parts better when the engine is hot and operating under stress.


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I think the problem is that my head gasket is bad or my piston rings are bad

Get a compression gauge and end the guesswork. It will not tell you where the compression leak is, but just that it exists. The smoke could also be bad valve guides letting oil into the combustion chamber or worn piston rings, etc.

Checking your head gasket is an easy thing. If it's bad you can usually see a gap and/or discoloration where the "blown" area is.
I strictly follow Briggs' recommendations for the 130200 series (your engine) in terms of torque settings and the tightening sequence for reinstalling the cylinder head.

If you want a link to the Briggs L-head manual, let me know.
 

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⬆️ He's right. I used to use multigrade oils in my air-cooled engines but that oil (5W, 10W etc), true to the manufacturer's advice, caused an increase in oil consumption, some smoking and it even leaked more past the (already worn) crank seals. I use SAE 30 single viscosity oil now but if I had none, I would still use a multigrade oil in a pinch because I have it on the garage shelf.
The first number, such as the “5” in 5W-30, indicates how the oil flows in cold temperatures (the “W” stands for winter). A lower number means thinner oil, which circulates faster during cold starts, making 5W-30 better for cold climates compared to 10W-30

The second number, like the “30” in both 5W-30 and 10W-30, represents the oil’s viscosity at high temperatures (tested at 212 F). At this temperature, thicker oil like 30-weight oil clings to and protects engine parts better when the engine is hot and operating under stress.


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Get a compression gauge and end the guesswork. It will not tell you where the compression leak is, but just that it exists. The smoke could also be bad valve guides letting oil into the combustion chamber or worn piston rings, etc.

Checking your head gasket is an easy thing. If it's bad you can usually see a gap and/or discoloration where the "blown" area is.
I strictly follow Briggs' recommendations for the 130200 series (your engine) in terms of torque settings and the tightening sequence for reinstalling the cylinder head.

If you want a link to the Briggs L-head manual, let me know.
I knew what the 5w stuff means but I did not know that the smaller air cooled engines don't need that stuff
 

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also I think one of my head bolts is stripped😬
most of my ideas come from other stuff I saw that junior dragsters use these engines so I wanted to make a better one
 

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There are some dedicated Jr. Dragster blocks for building some serious horsepower using a flathead, but I do not think any stock Briggs parts will fit them.
For a stripped head bolt, sometimes you can install another bolt, about 1/4 inch longer and get away with that. Do not overtighten head bolts.
 

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I recently did an engine cleanup because it's Been sitting in my garage for about 2 years and deserved some love and I thought I would build it up I did an oil change and cleaned up the cylinder deck and head but I needed to install a gas tank on it for the carb so I found a briggs 3 1/2 hp and found the gas tank but the mount was kinda thick so I thought I was not tightening it a whole lot but turns out I overnight it and stripped either the block or the bolt
(I hope its the bolt but probably not) I plan on porting and polishing the heads removing the governor gear on the crank (less rotating mass) and getting billet parts connecting rod, flywheel and and run it on methanol or nitromethane I have built a methanol predator 212 and its fast it has billet rod cam piston and side cover and a 24mm carburetor and I think it makes 15+hp maybe 20 I don't know I did that recently and made me kinda low on money so I'm on a budget
 
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