Blown saturn

[crazyman]

I guess interest is piqued. I lost my license, and pulled my SOHC cylinder head to avoid more trouble, as it smoked and burnt oil anyways before all this. I bought another oil burner DOHC from the junkyard as a core. I had built a steel intake manifold the blower sits upon. Only its so tight, the injectors must squirt from the bottom up. It just won't fit any other way.

IMO, it's an efficiency booster i've never had the opportunity to try. Shooting atomized fuel from the bottom into the fast moving air of the port vs shooting atomized fuel right through the fast air into a puddle on the floor of the slow moving air.

Everyone else treats eatons like turbos. Blow off valves and remote mount intercoolers. My manifold is factory style, blower, intake, then head. No unneccessary crap.

Anyways, intro. Got my pacesetter 4-2-1 header today. I have already cut off the pacesetter tags to accept paint or jet-hot. I'm leaning towards jet-hot, so it lasts.

Waiting on the brass threaded rod to pin the bores and the snow cooler water injection kit.

 

[Jimmy_B]

 

[carter]

it seems interesting, but why a saturn? what does that come with stock, a 3.0L?

 

[crazyman]

SL1 1.9. I'm upgrading to the twincam head too. I will more than likely have to swap the computer and still do some tuning. Why a Saturn? It was and will be my daily driver again.

 

[carter]

Well, It's not my first choice in powerplants but whatever makes ya happy man. Many of the hotrodders on another forum I visit swear by these guys http://www.blackbearperformance.com/services.asp

 

[crazyman]

I'm tired of dreaming and ready to do. You know what they say about mechanic's cars and carpenter's houses... 35 mpg is nice. It will be nicer to average 32mpg and be able to smoke tires at will at 55mph. In an American made, American modified car. Sometimes that is all you need to avoid getting clipped on a congested interstate.

I'm keeping the stock muffler and airbox. If anybody asks about the whine, I'll tell them "bad powersteering pump", as I'm ditching it in favor of an intake mounted M62 supercharger. Power steering by ArmStrong..

The car is simple and clean. Deere Blitz Black paint, 80's nascar inspired simple small contured aluminum spoiler, GoodYear Wrangler LT195/75R14 all terrains (tho i'd prefer BFG's), Steel wheels with Hammerited trim rings.

Like a deadly ninja hiding in plain sight.

 

[carter]

but you probably won't be able to smoke tires. My pickup truck, with no *** end, a 4.9L V6 a high torque manual trans and rearend can't spin tires, that thing has more torque than a daily driver would need.

Also, if you do things like that people are gonna think you've got rice coming out your tailpipe, no offence.

 

[crazyman]

You should see the rice crowd up here. My build is more like a wheat grain than a rice grain. They're all slow loud tokyo drift up here with ten different colors and broken fiberglass ground effects.

 

[crazyman]

How would your truck do if you suddenly increased its horsepower up somewhere between 75-125% with instantly available power? Surely all DOHC's must not be all bad? What about Ford's Stang, Roush? That is DOHC and eaton supercharged... I suppose it drinks saki too.. (saki btw, tastes like crap)

 

[carter]

Actually, the DOHC is a good thing, keep that, some of the nicest engines available use that. I was referring to stock airbox and mufflers. If I were you I'd do a straight 3" pipe all the way back, and find myself a nice intake upgrade. Its not all about horsepower either, when it comes to squealing tires, torque is what you want. You need to have enough toque to cause your tires to lose grip if you face some kind of resistance, this resistance is usually the inertia of the vehicle at rest. What happens is that when you slam it into gear with a lower torque engine, if you don't spin tires your RPM drop and you have to work all the way up through the gear, If you have enough torque to spin the tires then what happens is you lose grip, and your engine pushes your tires past the resistance of their friction to the ground. You'd honestly be better of not spinning tires on the highway if you'd be doing an evasive maneuver though, If you want to accelerate its ideal to have optimum grip, so you'd be better off flooring the gas and just accelerating yourself out of the way.

 

[crazyman]

I drilled the oil drainback holes today in the oil ring land and noticed something funny. G and the symbol $ are cast into the piston skirt. G Money... Yo, what up G?

LOL!

I can assure you I as white as a whiteboy redneck can get. No ghetto here. I grew up around corn and bean fields. I rock an 8 track player and have like 60 tapes.

My camera couldn't pick up the finite details of the casting, so I did a quick MS paint outline of it.

 

[realfast89gt]

I'm tired of dreaming and ready to do. You know what they say about mechanic's cars and carpenter's houses... 35 mpg is nice. It will be nicer to average 32mpg and be able to smoke tires at will at 55mph. In an American made, American modified car. Sometimes that is all you need to avoid getting clipped on a congested interstate.

I'm keeping the stock muffler and airbox. If anybody asks about the whine, I'll tell them "bad powersteering pump", as I'm ditching it in favor of an intake mounted M62 supercharger. Power steering by ArmStrong..

The car is simple and clean. Deere Blitz Black paint, 80's nascar inspired simple small contured aluminum spoiler, GoodYear Wrangler LT195/75R14 all terrains (tho i'd prefer BFG's), Steel wheels with Hammerited trim rings.

Like a deadly ninja hiding in plain sight.

Smoke the tires at 55mph? ya maybe if you lock up the brakes....... I have an 11 sec mustang with 500hp and smoking the tires at 55mph isnt very easy without downshifting and mashing the gas to the rev limiter.

Not to mention if you put enough power to the ground to spin tires at 55 you will surely be twisting axles/breaking the transmission, etc. Those car were not made for these types of mods even if the engine can take it.

I am not trying to bash you at all, dont think that. But ive been a technician since 98' and have worked on many cars with superchargers.

 

[crazyman]

Yeah, but a 500hp rear wheel drive car plants the rear tires, a 250hp supercharged front wheel drive lightens the weight on the drive tires. 15 lbs of boost is a hard hit with a roots blower. Turbos are a soft hit, as they must spool first...

If the tires spin, less part stress.. If parts break, visit the junkyard and mod them too. Cryo treating and all. I have a B&M 28,000 gvwr transcooler I scored at a garage sale (yep, on a 2900lb car) that I painted as a confederate flag I will install.

You've worked with many superchargers no doubt as I've turned wrenches since I was 6 no doubt. Have you ever wrenched on a hillbillies 1.9 with a 3.8 liter's supercharger? Half the displacement.. If I can figure a tune, it should be an easy 25lbs boost, at my right foot's disposal.

Nascar got started in a way similar to the "bashing". I may have to piggyback a megasquirt "u-build-it ECM" to control the motor and let the stock computer only see inputs and control the trans shift points. Automatic, so I never have to lift my right foot.

 

[crazyman]

And Carter, the quieter the exhaust and intake the better. No Policia attencion, and unsuspecting. I'll sacrafice some power for the incognito factor. A little blower whine can be passed off as a bad power steering pump when they see me muscling the steering wheel..

Burning tire power yeilds equally impressive understanding of how much is my traction limit. Never surpass the traction limit on anything..

 

[DeathStarr89]

I'll throw my .02¢ in, i still hold some records for highest power N/A FWD 60v6 powered GM and fastest 1/4 mile.. Yes, i could downshift.. dump the clutch and spin the tires at around 50 MPH with a 350 HP V6/HM282 trans hitting around 7K RPM. Was it a good idea? hell no.. haha

high power in a FWD car is always going to be a problem (Broken axles, broken trannies, etc..), I pulled my engine out of the 91 Z24 Cavalier and put it in a 3rd gen Camaro because i got tired of the traction issues. Now i have a broken rear end in the camaro, go figure.. lol


Sounds like a fun build, Megasquirt will work well just really get the tune dialed in before abusing the car.

 

[realfast89gt]

I'll tell you this, if i pulled up beside a saturn and got smoked i would surely pull the guy over and find out what hes got.....

I put an eaton sc on a 07 tiburon that was my gfs car and after upping boost and adding other bolt ons it sure was fun beating stock mustangs etc.

 

[crazyman]

Realistically, I don't care if it can blaze the tires going that fast. I can hope so though. All I know is it's going to sound like a dentist's drill and be a rocket.

I'm hoping that the automatic lessens the shockloads on the axles.

According to the tracking number, the Snow Cooler water injection will be delivered Monday. I'm anxiously waiting on the block and head to come back from the machine shop.

DeathStar, the 89 Z24's had a Muncie 5spd. I don't know if that is the trans you were running in your 91. That 89 was the most fun I've ever had in a car. 30mph, yank the brake, backwards 30mph.. Floor it and turn the wheel, forwards 30mph again. The suspension was so well balanced you could do it all day long.

 

[DeathStarr89]

Yep, Same trans. They'll take a beating, i welded the diff solid in mine and dumped the clutch at 4K every time with 11" Slicks. I was cutting some pretty good 60' times with it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mENh9Vyijac


Been thinking about a Snow performance kit for my Camaro, in the DIY spirit i'll probably make my own though.

 

[crazyman]

I love 60 degree v6 GM engines.. They sound like an angry cat with its tail pulled. I always wanted to build a FWD with RWD flat top pistons for like 14.1 ish compression and run it on E85.

DIY? Feed boost to the water tank, the boost pushes the water into the pre boost intake area. So 1980's. Does it work? Yes. Is it optimal? No.

 

[DeathStarr89]

lol!

More like a set of 3.4 DOHC 24# injectors @ 50 PSI installed in bungs facing each port in the UIM. Need just a regular fuel pump and a good sized tank.

I'd probably just piggyback another OBD1 ECU to control the injectors VS TPS input. I don't know that i'd trust an Arduino.


the DOHC injectors have a very wide pattern that's more like a fogger, they should work very well.