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Some of the German Beer Crate Racers use a Kart type engine but most use the 125cc motorcycle 4 speed Lifan engine. I am building my prototype with a Tec and a TAV.

My original plans:


I had a steering wheel laying around and decided to go with a steering wheel instead of handlebars.
Different wheels too.



I have the rear axle parts together and front spindles and I am just about ready to weld the frame together.



I few more parts and I will be putting it all together, can't wait to try it out.
 

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I never seen one with a kart engine tbh... industrial engines like the one in your CAD drawing yes (I think at least 40% of all Bierkisten I know have that kinda engine)
.. kart engines though .. nope *shrugs*

Anyways.. nice.. but the wrong beer crate and it'll be ruined (cosmetically not technically!)

I'll be watching this closely...:D

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Very cool project. Will there be cooling issues to consider running a motor enclosed?
 

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I never seen one with a kart engine tbh... industrial engines like the one in your CAD drawing yes (I think at least 40% of all Bierkisten I know have that kinda engine)
.. kart engines though .. nope *shrugs*

Anyways.. nice.. but the wrong beer crate and it'll be ruined (cosmetically not technically!)

I'll be watching this closely...:D

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So you don't consider a Honda gx160 or a Predator 212 or a Tec Power Sport a kart engine, they are industrial engines to you, even though most of the karts built here use them. Okay!
I have not even said how the crate is made or what it is made of, so how will it be ruined please explain.
The top view is of a Honda GX160 , the side view has a Predator peeking out with a TAV2 and the one I am building I am using a Tec Power Sport with a TAV2 because that is what I have on hand.
I can't get a supply of the plastic Beer Crate's or Bierkisten the German word for Beer Crate I'm not german so I call them Beer Crate's.
I have spent the most time figuring out what I was going to use for the Crate, PVC nope Heat problem, Cement siding nope cracks and the winner is cedar 3/4x3.5" won't rot , I can paint it , air brush graphics.
People have been making things to set on out of wood for thousands of years. I have a couple of chairs a hundred years old, solid as day they were made.

Well anyway I have the rest of the parts ordered today to complete this project and hope to have it running in a couple of weeks.

I hope you watch and enjoy this build , I do think I know what I am doing and yes I will make a video of it going.
William

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Very cool project. Will there be cooling issues to consider running a motor enclosed?

I thought that too but I guess not. The top and bottom is open , holes and slits in front, back and sides. Here is a picture of one close to looking like what I am building.



This kart has a plastic crate that looks like the old wood crate's, I like that look. I guess they get enough air flow???

Itsid,
I had no idea 40% of these karts had HondaGX160 type engines or motors as you call them in Germany. Thanks for that info, very interesting I have hundreds of pictures of these and only two with this type engine, most I saw had 125cc 4 speed Lifan motorcycle engines.
I welcome any input you have,
Thanks William
 

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Yepp, 'cause that's what they are; industrial engines.
meant to be mounted to pressure washers, tillers, generators, cement mixers log splitters and the like

as opposed to a kart engine, which is designed and build especially for racing karts (and the cheapest cost around ten times as much as a predator.. the main reason you don't see them on builds in here too much ;))

terminology...
like you call those small Lifan scooter engines motorcycle engines for example..
and that's correct although they're mounted to hundreds of two seater karts in factories all over china ;) (and sold in the US under fancy brands...)

talking about terminology...
(only to explain myself)
when I say "Bierkiste", I talk about the beer crate kart; not the crate.

Anyways...
Yes, I said you can cosmetically ruin that picking the wrong crate...
I was joking...how do I explain that to you... it's like wearing the "wrong" football shirt;
You can drink Erdinger (bavarian..wheat beer) all day around here...
but you must not build a Bierkiste from it's crate.
that has to be a local beer (the home team ..)
Nevermind.

it's indeed a shame that you don't have proper beer crates in the US..
since beer crates are the single most perfect package size..
since they provide an additional seat at any party ;)
you can stack them almost indefinitely (try that with sixpacks ;))
unsupported stack:
Duisburg-Koenig-Brauerei-300x224.jpg
(Honda GX red... hint hint ;))

Oh talking about GX-es...
as you see on your picture it doesn't fit width-wise into a standard beer crate, so it's ruining the label (remember the team shirt analogy?)
that's why you don't see too many pics, especially not from that side.
They're still being build though (mainly because the engine is cheaper than a four speed lifan which only sticks out at the front ;))

'sid

PS.. just for fun.. I'll check what international sipping would cost for a proper (empty!) beer crate, weighs close to nothing...
but it doesn't exactly fit in an envelope ;)
 

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Yepp, 'cause that's
talking about terminoloy....

PS.. just for fun.. I'll check what international sipping would cost for a proper (empty!) beer crate, weighs close to nothing...
but it doesn't exactly fit in an envelope ;)

Probably more than a few beers.....:cheers2:

EDIT: You could check shipping while you were at it....LOL.
 

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Just for cosmetic reasons and cool Factor, I am with sid on this one "Bud light Lime" is just too trendy. I am surprised they even Market that in Alabama. I am used to seeing it here in San Diego near the Tijuana Border.
Anways cool idea, this will be a fun project and a fun little ride, no matter what your Crate ends up being, Oh heck go with the bud light just to P off the traditionalists and Europeans!
 

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Here is a thought, ammo box. Or just for sid yep at one time wood beer crates were used here in the states. Miller beer.
 

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Sid,
Oh I see , you really mean cutting the crate sinful and ruining the crate. I wish we could get crates here, you seem to love them in Germany. Yes the engines are too wide to fit the standard crate and take away the logo on one of the sides. I was thinking of building what we have here the bar stool racers kind of the sister of your Beer Crate Racers. I don't like them too top heavy and tip over too much for me. I thought of making it with the stool cut down lower, but then as I was looking at pictures I came across your Beer Crates and I really liked them. Looks like all your mates really have fun with them.
Rednecks really don't care if the engine sticks out the side of the crate we are not as sophisticated as you and were not a stickler on terms as what you call things or we would point out that you call engines "motors" and motors run on electricity, engines run on fuel. It really doesn't matter what you call things as long as we know what you are talking about right!
I know they make racing kart engines that cost thousands of dollars I had a Margay kart with one on it. I don't care what kind of engine you put on a go kart, when you do, it becomes a go kart engine. Take that same engine and put it on a minibike and it's a minibike engine....just saying!
Bierkisten or Bierkästen right out of the German dictionary means beer crate or crates of beer is that not right ???
I have seen beer crate karts called Bierkiste I guess your german slang for them.
You Germans must really get into your beer and seems you like your brand , hey we rednecks just want you to sling us what your drinking.... yeah I'll try that !
Anyway my friend don't get upset at what we call stuff, where just ignorant, ignorant you can fix, dumb you can't do anything with.
Will

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Sid,
You are so right it is a shame we don't beer crates here in the US, a great German innovation , they are cool and I wish we did.
My whole idea of this project is to see how cheap I can make one of these, still be fast enough to be fun. Easy to put together , get friends together for a little fun.
Hey we rednecks need something to spend our tax refund on!
Will
 

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Here is a TAV2 torque converter we use here in the states, really works better on one of these horizontal shaft engines than a dry clutch or wet clutch, faster acceleration.



I have one of these on a Tec engine that I am using on the build.
 

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Nice spot Doug.. hehe.. I'll leave it at that (sipping... must've been my mind playing tricks on me :D)
BL lime sounds like a perfect drink (for female children up to 12...)

Anyways, trends are not exactly a reason (at least that's what I think).
Support your local brewery! that's what I'm thinking :D

Cutting a crate is fine (and necessary to mount it) no problem with that.. as long as it's the beer you drank while building it.
Leaving a beautiful corpse (of the crate in question) adds 'bonuspoints',
but if your engine needs room, no problem.
That's why I posted the red ones up there (coincidentally my local brewery ;))
the red matches the Honda GX red just nicely.. a bit of white paint and a steady hand... and that'll work :D

Nah.. we're not too attached to beer crates at all, just a convenient package system.

The Bierkisten though (yes.. karts this time..) are kind of popular for quite some time now...
And from my perspective the 'closer' sibling in the US would be a cooler kart.
barstools are ... well... not my thing... for the very same reason (top heavy)

I never called an engine a motor.. at least not in english that is ;)
Well excpt for one occasion, when you all do it.. motorcycles!
in fact that's the better term.. but when the french conquered england, they changed some terminologies and I respect that (at least I'm trying)
You (as americans) don't btw (ford motor company.. american motors corporation... endless list here ;)) just saying ;)

terminology can be important though (the reason it should be respected)
especially in a forum where some of the inhabitants are non native speakers, and some native speakers are unable to differentiate between "their", "there" and "they're" and basically don't get half their words right...

it's important (at least from my point of view) to try to be on the same page.
And accurate terminology helps (yes.. pedantic.. sorry.. german... what can I say...)

That's why a predator will never be a kart engine although it sits on many karts, just as a motorbike engine will not be a kart engine, even if it's on a GiXXer..
You wouldn't call a pulse jet a kart engine either, would you?

And yes... Bierkiste or Bierkasten (both singular) are nothing but a beer crate (literally),
the first one can be used for a kart (which is lazy for 'fahrende Bierkiste' omitting the driving part)
and just in case you wonder, that doesn't work with Bierkasten though.

BahnRunner build a Bierkiste (again.. KART!) early this year.. and since that's what they're called and Bahnrunner already used that as terminology in here.. I chose to follow his example and solidify that as "international terminology" for beer crate karts ;)

IIRC at least one german beer is available in proper crates in the US.. Radeberger to be precise (The Charly Harper stuff ) I think I spotted a crate in his garage one time.

Anyways.. I'll see what the shipping of a crate would cost, just to get an idea how hard (expensive) it'd be to send one over.

'sid

PS And nope, at a bar we drink what they serve, as long as it's not too lousy ;)

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Yes, the TAV2 (series 30 Torque converter with backplate)
is indeed better than a typical dry clutch, not only it adds torque on the low end for better acceleration it also adds top speed (10%) .
Tecumseh engines are not too popular thouhg.. expensive spare and repair parts being the biggest problem, a kinda crappy carb being the most often cause of failure.
As long as it runs it's as good as any other.. as soon as it fails it's likely cheaper to replace it with a predator than to fix it.
 

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Well Sid thanks for all that Terminology.:lolgoku: I do agree with you again. When I was 16 and had my first car a VW Bug my dads mechanic was teaching me some basics, Anyway he taught me 1 important thing:
"Motors are for washing machines, Cars have Engines."

As far as Ford "motor" Company"; what about BMW is not the M for Motor?

Oh yeah, LMAO "Bud Lime is for Females 12 and under" Geez still giggling as I type this.
 

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My point exactly a rose by any other name is still a rose.
This is why I don't care what you call things. I have never had a bud Light Lime in my life just grabbed a logo to photoshop on the crate, liked the green color. Didn't know it would stir things up.
I don't drink light beer at all, like MGD , a good Bud , XX or Michelob.
Boy my build thread really got highjacked, my fault I guess!

---------- Post added at 09:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:28 PM ----------

I just have this Tec so I am using it on my prototype .
The engine I want to use as the standard engine in the rules is the Predator 212.
They are cheap but really good , lots of HP parts for them, much support !
I don't really like Tecumseh engines much but I have it and it's close to the Predator power wise.
Tecumseh is out of business so I sure would not make that the engine you have to use!
Maybe I should get everyone to vote what beer logo I should put on the kart.

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Maybe I should just paint it up with the first beer I ever drank at 9 years old, I was mowing the lawn with an old push mower, I'm talking non powered rotor push mower. My dad said here son you want some beer, he had just opened it, ice cold!It was hot that day and I was thirsty I tipped it up and drank about 3/4 of it and handed it back, he said dang son I meant just a sip. I can still taste how good that was , nothing is as good as your first!


This would be an easy logo to spray on the crate, I could cut the blue part in vinyl and just tape the red.
 

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As far as Ford "motor" Company"; what about BMW is not the M for Motor?

it is... plural even (Bayrische Motorenwerke)
but we (as in those who speak german) do not differentiate
between engines and motors as you do in english,
that is correct.
we don't, you do.
So Ford is using the wrong term, BMW is using the ONLY term

it's the french's fault...
both words are basically derived from latin.. mōtor means "mover"
(same roots even)
engine shares a root with "ingenius" and "engineer" etc.
one entered the english language from germany, one from france.. (old french engin for catapults, trebuchets and the like)

Anywhoo..
Yes BCR, you started that with
[we]...were not a stickler on terms as what you call things or we would point out that you call engines "motors" and motors run on electricity, engines run on fuel.
which is only true for your franco-infiltrated language..
btw even the french call engines moteurs nowadays (they got used to the ingenius concept by now I guess ;))
you're the only one falling behind (again linguistically...!!)

well then.. one runs on magic the other one on witchcraft...
who gives a flying shirt (orange v-neck ;))?

In fact, I do -as soon as I use your language to communicate-;
and the simple reason: terminology does matter!

So.. industrial engine =/= kart engine
although indeed commonly found on karts around here :D

'sid

PS Now let's proceed with the Bierkiste

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Nice logo indeed!
Go for it.
 

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I know words have meaning and in modern American english we now refer to motors as electrical and engines as fueled. Words change believe it or not and this is what I was taught in my college engineering , electrical and mechanical engineer. I was hired by GM to design their automobiles but did not want to move to Detroit , went back to school and became a Jeweler, being an electrical and mechanical engineer has come in handy. Believe it not a lot of engineering goes into designing a piece of jewelry and we have a lot of high tech ways we make jewelry today. Why not Ford Motor Co. there are a lot more motors in their cars than engines, seats,windows,wipers,washers and A/C did I miss any? Hey just going on with you Sid, love ya man and enjoy your post, Keep Germany safe, Mom and my Aunt have been to Germany hope to get there one day too and see your beautiful country.

William Smith or Wilhelm Schmitt < old family name

Yep on with the Bierkiste , I'm trying to bring this hobby to America
 

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How about tire vs tyre. I don't know where you guys get the "I" :D

Really! Do you call tires TA-WIRES that's how you spell it, oh the Y is silent TA-RES, no wait that doesn't work the Y is pronounced like an i ,oh huh ,well huh, duh huh! :roflol:

That reminds me I still need to buy 4 TA-WIRES
I still need TA-WIRES
How could I forget the TA-WIRES

Guess I need to call the Goodyear TA-Wire Company. :wai:

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Hey! At least we drive on the right side of the road!
 
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