48v Electric Go Kart Motor

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More voltage mean more power, so there's that.

Your questions is too vague though. Would you be able to achieve high speed?

There are a lot of variables. How much would it weigh in total (Frame, batteries, motor, driver, etc)? What gear ratio are you looking for? What are you defining as high speed? How long are you wanting to use this before it needs a charge? Would it be on flatland, hills, or maybe a mixture of both? In reality though, yes, you should be able to achieve some decent speed, if you build it right.

Also, anything electric should be kept in the Electric section of the forums.
 

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Ah, I didn't realize that there was an electric forum. Sorry about that. Total weight including me and the motors is approximately 400lb. I am planning on doing a direct chain drive. I'd like to be able to use it for about an hour.
 

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Ah, I didn't realize that there was an electric forum. Sorry about that. Total weight including me and the motors is approximately 400lb. I am planning on doing a direct chain drive. I'd like to be able to use it for about an hour.

thats a lot of weight :)
Im not the expert around here, but you may want a little more power, especially if you want higher speeds...
as far as drive time... it all depends on the amount of batteries you can hold....
Ive got 6 12V 19AHr batteries and a 36V 2KW motor, and I can only get about 20-25 minutes of driving, but can hit 20+mph and do a little offroad drifting

-Danny
 

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In a way, that's true but my 9-18V drill is a lot more powerful at 18V than 9V. It was more of a generalization I guess. In this application it could be a different story.

yeah.. apples and pears ;)

You can slow down an electric motor by reducing the voltage (most of them significantly)

But a 1000W motor is a 1000W motor, and it'll perform almost identical to another 1000W motor, no matter if it's 24, 36 or 48V.

So a 48V 1000W motor will not be less powerfull than a 144V 1000W motor.

Your drill has an 18V motor with an estimate of 650Watts;
reducing the voltage to 9V will deliver 325Watts (well most likely 330... nevermind) since you do NOT increase the amperage by the same amount you reduce the voltage.

And Power is always Voltage times Amperage with electric motors.

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Good point there sid, I forgot to take wattage into account. The better thing with a higher voltage motor though is that it needs less amperage to get to that watt rating. So you'll need less amperage and that results in longer battery life. You just need more batteries. :ack2:
 

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I am now considering doing a 36v 1000w Kart. I have a lot of experience with Arduino and I plan to use a scooter motor controller for the two motors. What batteries do you guys recommend for my purposes? Also, a more realistic weight is probably about 300lbs -- I'm about 180lb and the kart will probably be about 150lb. What is the "trick" to fast karts? Wattage, voltage, or amperage? The motors I'm looking at are about 40a, will this greatly decrease battery life? I am trying to make a speedy and powerful kart that does some off roading and I can get decent batter life from.
 

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:toetap05:

Don't want to read the thread where I answered your questions already? :surrender:

Well then, I'm out :auto:

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Don't want to read the thread where I answered your questions already?

Wow! In seeing all the replies my eyes scanned right over your link to the other thread. It was very helpful indeed. Sorry for not mentioning it earlier! At the end you suggest a 1250w 36v motor, however, I have been thinking about an instructable that I saw. The author used a 1000w 36v motor, coincidentally the same one I have been planning to use. He also mentioned that he can do 25mph and gets 10-12 miles on 48ah batteries. And I imagine that if I use two of these motors, I will significantly increase both the speed and power of the kart. I do not completely understand why you suggested a 1250w motor as a starting point (It seems like excellent performance can be achieved with 1000w), as I cannot even seem to find dc motors higher than 1000w on websites.

Also, why would a person buy a 48v motor rather than a 36v motor of the same wattage? What is the advantage?

Thanks again! :thumbsup:
 

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No longer battery life at all!

and here's why:
A battery pack for a 36V system contains THREE 12V batteries (let's just say 60Ah each)
drawing 1000W @36V continous means you have 2.16hrs running time;
with a 48V motor you will have to use four batteries (still 60Ah) and true you'll have a 2.88hrs runtime;
BUT that one battery still has to be considered in the 36V system (although not present);
So let's assume we add a fourth cell in parallel to the first batpack,
instead of 12V 60Ah it's 36V 20Ah (which is the same amount of energy)
and those 20Ah is exactly what's needed to increase the runtime by 0.72hrs to 2.88hrs.
So... no.. same energy; no real increase in battery life ;)
In fact that one battery will add weight, thus more power is needed to propell the kart and in the end more power drained from the batpack ;)

So you will need one battery more, and THAT increases the capacity and thus runtime;
you will use the exact same electrical power of course :D

But lower Amps are indeed a bonus,
first: it's the Amps that will kill you in case you get it touch with electricity
your doorknob for example can deliver up to 40000 Volts, and is perfectly harmless;
a car battery has 12 V and can kill you in an instant.

So low Amps is safer than higher amps.

Also electronics to handle big amps are more expensive than those which can handle high voltages.
So lower Amps are 'cheaper' to control.

And last but not least, there's basically a sweet spot for a specific voltage/amperage motor,
the one where it has the best efficiency.
High torque motors run better on low voltages and high Amps (lower internal resistance)
High speed motors better on higher voltages and lower Amps.

But since you need both (torque for a good acceleration and high rpms for speed)
that's not really important for a car just for motors in industrial applications (constant speed applications)

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No longer battery life at all!

and here's why:
A battery pack for a 36V system contains THREE 12V batteries (let's just say 60Ah each)
drawing 1000W @36V continous means you have 2.16hrs running time;
with a 48V motor you will have to use four batteries (still 60Ah) and true you'll have a 2.88hrs runtime;
BUT that one battery still has to be considered in the 36V system (although not present);
So let's assume we add a fourth cell in parallel to the first batpack,
instead of 12V 60Ah it's 36V 20Ah (which is the same amount of energy)
and those 20Ah is exactly what's needed to increase the runtime by 0.72hrs to 2.88hrs.
So... no.. same energy; no real increase in battery life ;)
In fact that one battery will add weight, thus more power is needed to propell the kart and in the end more power drained from the batpack ;)

So you will need one battery more, and THAT increases the capacity and thus runtime;
you will use the exact same electrical power of course :D

Well if you want to get all technical about stuff :surrender:
 

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Wow! In seeing all the replies my eyes scanned right over your link to the other thread. It was very helpful indeed. Sorry for not mentioning it earlier! At the end you suggest a 1250w 36v motor, however, I have been thinking about an instructable that I saw. The author used a 1000w 36v motor, coincidentally the same one I have been planning to use. He also mentioned that he can do 25mph and gets 10-12 miles on 48ah batteries. And I imagine that if I use two of these motors, I will significantly increase both the speed and power of the kart. I do not completely understand why you suggested a 1250w motor as a starting point (It seems like excellent performance can be achieved with 1000w), as I cannot even seem to find dc motors higher than 1000w on websites.

Also, why would a person buy a 48v motor rather than a 36v motor of the same wattage? What is the advantage?

Thanks again! :thumbsup:

Ah I see.. just missed the link.. happens to the best of us :D

It's just because the exact same questions pop up over and over again, and it gets boring to explain the same thing over and over again individually...

Nevermind :cheers2:

So, yes I'd suggest a 1250W motor for the example kart,
as being a good compromise between speed, acceleration and durability.

But you'll find that this is a size of motor you will not find easily.
The my1020 is the probably most common electric vehicle motor around,
it comes in different 'sizes' and for all of them there's a cheap basic reliable motor controller.

EV motors can be found in exactly every range of power.
1600W are quite common, and 2.5kW and 3kW motors...
just recently there is a good amount of 5kW motors popping up as well...

not to mention there are several motors for golf carts and full size cars with much much more than that.
But all of those come at a price...
especially when it comes to controllers.

it's just not as 'end user' friendly as the 1kW motors just yet ;)

You'll have to know where to look, like small forklift motors, or single seated golf carts, or fancy not street legal bike conversion kits or the like.

There even was a GREAT motor used in a cordless lawn mower a few years ago.. complete with controller and battery pack...(of course)
cheaper than the motor itself as a single unit.:surrender:
(But I couldn't get hold of it unfortunately :furious2:)

So, a thorough search will bring up odd wattages, and higher wattages, you just need to be patient (and sometimes rich :rolleyes:)

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