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hey all, I have a quick question, i have been looking for a bake plate for a 40 series torque converter, the only place i can find one is at go power sports for 500$ even with its being on sale and using DIYGOKARTS it will still be over 500 cad by the time its shipped to my door.

so if any one has a blueprint or some measurements to a 40 series backplate. you would be the most awesome person ever.:thumbsup:
 

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40 series back plate Not recommended

After much research into the 40 series plate, I do not recommend them. Only the asymmetric belts should run with a backplate. This is due to the driven pulley lateral movement being opposite the driver pulley lateral movement. They would skew the belt and I think you will get excessive belt wear. The two pulleys should stay in alignment throughout the operational range, and flipping the driven to make it work with the backplate will ruin alignment as the belts shifts up. Probably will work for a light duty application, but if you want to ride it hard with a higher torque engine you may be buying belts.
 

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much confusion

i am trying to figure out how a back plate will eat up belts as where using a jack shaft, id you dont get the alignment or belt spacing right or the set screw slipes boom your belt is gone.

so if you could clarify that would be greatly appreciated or if you could post a example of a set of that would help as well. thanks
 

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As said on a previous post... Your first problem... We live in Canada...
Everything you want to buy from down south is an easy 30%+, shipping is longer by week or 2...
At least....
 

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After much research into the 40 series plate, I do not recommend them. Only the asymmetric belts should run with a backplate. This is due to the driven pulley lateral movement being opposite the driver pulley lateral movement. They would skew the belt and I think you will get excessive belt wear. The two pulleys should stay in alignment throughout the operational range, and flipping the driven to make it work with the backplate will ruin alignment as the belts shifts up. Probably will work for a light duty application, but if you want to ride it hard with a higher torque engine you may be buying belts.

Okay, so the only reason a backplate exists, is so you can just bolt the thing to your engine. If you are going to fab something up, it definitely would not be a backplate.

Instead, why not consider welding up a rectangular 'box' for the engine to mount onto, then weld a tube to the box. the box could be made out of 1/8" steel (3/16" might be over kill but is an option). The tube would be 1/8" wall tubing that is 1 5/8" OD, so you can put in 1/38"OD x 5/8" ID snap ring bearings and a 5/8" jackshaft to hold the driven unit.

You would drill the motor mount holes in the spot on the box that would give you the appropriate center to center distance.

cheers:thumbsup:

Others have made it even simpler (if you cant weld) get a large rectancular tube, drill holes in the tube for the jackshaft, and mount two pillow block bearings on it.
 

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Belt skew

i am trying to figure out how a back plate will eat up belts as where using a jack shaft, id you dont get the alignment or belt spacing right or the set screw slipes boom your belt is gone.

so if you could clarify that would be greatly appreciated or if you could post a example of a set of that would help as well. thanks



Go to 5:12. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bqqgKuUjNts

I just don't like it.
 

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MY 40 driven rides on a j.s. And has about an inch and a half to float so it can self align , just try that
 

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So the js sprocket doesn't deflect from he sprocket line? No chain jumping when riding hard?

Let me rephrase, the pulley can float , the chain sprockets are pretty fixed, it did slap the chain a bit but since adding a tensioner on the final chain I haven’t heard it
 

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Let me rephrase, the pulley can float , the chain sprockets are pretty fixed, it did slap the chain a bit but since adding a tensioner on the final chain I haven’t heard it

Your setup does not have the backplate with reversed driven pulley. So it will not tend to move laterally much.
 

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I guess I’m not following, my driven can slide port to starboard freely on its keyed jack shaft?

No. If your 2 pulleys are mounted with the mechanisms opposite each other (driver outboard, driven inboard), as the pulleys change ratio, the belt will stay aligned.

If you mount them both outboard, the driven needs to be able to float on the jackshaft to allow the belt to hold alignment. A mounting plate with a stub jackshaft does not allow this to happen, so your belt alignment goes all wonky in high ratio.
 

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No. If your 2 pulleys are mounted with the mechanisms opposite each other (driver outboard, driven inboard), as the pulleys change ratio, the belt will stay aligned.

If you mount them both outboard, the driven needs to be able to float on the jackshaft to allow the belt to hold alignment. A mounting plate with a stub jackshaft does not allow this to happen, so your belt alignment goes all wonky in high ratio.
Ok I follow, yea I considered the backplate kit from gps but it was about $550 w comet parts so I just found a genuine one on eBay a builder never got around to installing for about $220
 

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thanks for all the info guys this will be most helpful when the time comes to put it together. my last question is where do you recommend i buy a 40 series TC? keeping in mind that i live in canada tho will buy stetes side if necessary. also with belt and necessary hardware thanks guys:)
 
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