126cc Subaru Robin no acceleration

panchothedog

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Hellion, did you look at the middle picture in post # 6. A tape measure is not needed to tell you that a centrifugal clutch won't work. Now to calculate top speed, certainly. But then you need an accurate tachometer. I'm certain you already know all this.
 

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I have this kart for about 3 days and have learned quite a bit. I found a gear ratio calculator and learned how it calculates.

I thought this forum was for helping ppl out, and don’t think I’ve asked anything too stupid for being into this for 3 days.

Not sure why you have to post a dick *** comment like that. Did Pancho die or something?
Stuff always come through the internet as more rude than its supposed to be. -Or rude at all when its not meant to be.
 

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I would have left the jackshaft on because you have the opportunity to have more adjustments by just changing some sprockets to increase or decrease speed. Getting an axle sprocket off can be a real challenge. Also the smaller sprockets on the jackshaft are a lot cheaper. Those large tires you put on may require a bigger sprocket than the 60 that Denny suggested. Don't take offense to comments made on the site, many of the guys were former writers for Jerry Seinfeld--it is our dry humor.

Your earlier question, do you need the jackshaft with the t/c. No, but now you are going to have to figure out just what sprocket size you really need for the rear axle. Denny's 60 tooth was a guess and a starting point but it is NOT etched in stone. Big tires always look neat on a kart but they are hard on a t/c belt if the gearing selection is not correct. Manco had two very good engineers on kart design and they test the heck out of a design before it went into production. What would work in IN or IL may not work in a hilly area like KY so they took all of that into consideration since they didn't know where the kart was going to end up.

You will find it is a lot easier to change the gears on the jackshaft then pull out the axle. Just my opinion. I did look at the schematic that Hellion provided and it does indicate a 10 tooth clutch was the transmission on the kart BUT it would not work on the size tires that you put on. The nobbies and tire size nullified the clutch. We have all been there, we change things and then find out we have screw it up and then in order to save the tires we have to dump a lot more money into the project to get it to work. This how we all learn and we get better at it each time and build up a great supply of spare parts.
 

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Appreciate the info.

My game plan right now is to get the tc today and line it up on there to see what I’m working with. I still have the jack shaft if need be.

I would like to make the tc work without the js, get a 60t axle sprocket to the 10t on the tc, and get rear tires same size as the front. Anything about that sound bad?
 

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Going with a tire size that is around or very close to 13" diameter it will work fine. Then you can retire the jackshaft but keep it around for the next project. You will have about 2" of clearance under your axle sprocket.
 

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Hellion, did you look at the middle picture in post # 6. A tape measure is not needed to tell you that a centrifugal clutch won't work. Now to calculate top speed, certainly. But then you need an accurate tachometer. I'm certain you already know all this.

I'm not in this fight one way or the other, you're barking at the wrong dude. Look at the PDF in post #18. He could have close to a (if not THE) OEM factory setup but maybe the previous owner added huge rear tires and now the clutch burns up? Could be many teeth off of the ideal gear ratio with other parts added by 'previous owner Bubba'. I however could not find specs for the original Manco rear tires with a 10 minute web search, but I suspect they were 16" and not 18" rears. Now go look at the exploded parts diagram.

TL/DR (Too Long/Didn't Read); I don't know man, I just submitted it for consideration. :cornut:
 

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Contrary to the forum's wisdom, jackshafts DO WORK and can move a large tired kart with a lowly centrifugal clutch. It'll work for a long, long time and not "eat a belt eventually" but it still has a fixed gear ratio which just isn't enough fun for the people who like to feel that gut-punch acceleration.
 

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cadams23: sorry about the remark at the end of post #19. It was rude and unessassary. I apologize. The rest of the post is accurate. But it looks like
JimD has informed you about gearing.
 

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