cleaning carbon deposits?

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i know cleaning out the carbon deposits in the combustion chamber helps the engine run cooler, and keeps it at top performance.
but its kinda a pain to take the head off and clean it all out manually, as i have a lot of engines, most of which are fairly old L-head types, so they need cleaning a little more frequently.

so im wondering what the best, and cheapest fuel additive would be to clean the carbon and other deposits out periodically?

ive heard Sea Foam is good, but it costs just a bit too much for my tastes :/

how about Marvel Mystery Oil? thats within my price range, but is it any good?

any other suggestions are welcome.

thanks in advance for the help! :thumbsup:
 

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have you tried it? and what results did you get?

sorry to ask so many questions lol. but i want to know how well stuff works before i buy it.
and i didnt see any thread on this topic, so hopefully it will help anyone else who is wondering about this also.
 

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i dont know cause i havent tryed it cause my engine dont run. i would give it a shot im sure ur gona wana drain the oil quickly. or you can always manualy get rid of the crud.
 

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your talking about as an oil additive? it said on the bottle that you can use it as a fuel additive also. thats what im wondering about.
 

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I have never heard of using marvel mystery oil for removing carbon deposits, but it sure does unseize things, we had a 4 cyl case that rusted shut, we put some mystery oil in each cylinder, within 4 days it ran like a champ.
 

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mmm... i dont think i wanna try using water lol

i dont really need a "mechanic in a can" as everything else works just fine on the engines. i just want to clean the gunk outta the combustion chamber before it gets to be a problem.


you know, i just got an idea... Sea Foam is supposed to clean varnish deposits and junk outta the fuel system of an engine... would it also clean the generators and nozzles on Coleman lanterns and stoves? now im wondering lol
 

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the best cure is to prevent as much as posible. get your mixture bang on i use a gunsons colortune its a clear sparkplug you can see the colour of detonation in the chamber, and also i swear by redex can find it on any motorshop shelf in the uk not sure about other countries, i have an 850 volvo with 216,000 miles took the head off to replace the valve stem oil seals no carbon at all either redex is ace or volvo engines are lol.
 
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never heard of that clear spark plug, but im sure it would look cool running in the dark lol
dont think ive heard of Redex either.


and yeah, i know Briggs recommends cleaning it as regular maintenance. but thats what i want to avoid lol.
 

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If Sea Foam is a little out of your price range then concider Berryman's Chemtool. It is about $4.00 cheaper than Sea Foam and works on the same principal. I am just curious how much is Sea Foam running you?
 

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never heard of that clear spark plug, but im sure it would look cool running in the dark lol
dont think ive heard of Redex either.


and yeah, i know Briggs recommends cleaning it as regular maintenance. but thats what i want to avoid lol.

I have never cleaned any of my engines nor has my dad and we havent had any problems... I've only killed one engine and im pretty sure it just needed a new coil (i was 10...) and my dad fried one set of rings one but that was one his garden tractor that he tilled over 4 acres with(just needed new rings, but he completely rebuilt) ...yes a 16hp JD tilling over 4 acres haha that explains the blown engine...
 

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"Berryman's Chemtool" huh? i think i might have seen that, not sure though. might try that if i can find it, thanks for the tip.
and a 16oz container of Sea-Foam is 8 to 9 dollars around here.


and yes an engine will run w/o being cleaned when its supposed to be. i have an old 1982 Snapper Hi-Vac 21" mower with a Briggs 3.5hp 148cc engine on it. the thing has been run and run for years doing an above average sized lawn. the tread is gone on the wheels from running so much. never cleaned the combustion chamber out, it was still running pretty good. (always changed the oil and cleaned the air filter and cooling fins when needed)

so at the end of last year i took a small engines class at the local community college, and of course totally disassembled the engine.
and the head was covered in atleast a quarter inch of carbon deposits, really nasty hardened stuff too. :ack2:

so i of course cleaned all that out. and i put the engine back together and finished the course (got an A, and the instructors said i was the best student. lol)

and because the class ended in January of this year, i couldnt give the mower a good test run until spring.
and this being Michigan that i live in, we get lotsa strange weather, and it was the rainiest spring i can remember in a good while, the grass was growing like crazy, i dont mind cause i actually enjoy mowing (when its not 90 degrees out anyway lol) and wanted to put the mower though its paces.

the engine accelerates better, idles smoother, and has more power than before.
aside from burning a little oil, it runs like a new engine. (i dont mind the oil burning, it keeps the mosquitoes away, but isnt bad enough to bother me lol)


they reccomend cleaning the deposits out for a reason, like every other thing on the maintenance schedule.

im not looking for something to clean out 1/4" of deposits in the engine, that should be done manually.
i just want something to keep the deposits from forming, or clear out some minor deposits. maybe running some in the gas every few weeks or something like that.
 

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i have an 850 volvo with 216,000 miles took the head off to replace the valve stem oil seals no carbon at all either redex is ace or volvo engines are lol
I'd be a bit suspicous of I found no carbon whatsoever. My freind adds ATF to his gas and apparently that cleans them right out. Plus it only takes me 10 minutes to pull a flatty head and de-carbon it in put it back on. Its not hard nor does it take long.
 

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yeah, i wouldnt expect there to be no carbon at all, but i deff want it to be clean enough so that then engine can operate at peak efficiency.
i would first clean the deposits out manually, then use the best additive (assuming i can find one thats not too expensive) to keep the combustion chamber clean.


i picked up some of that Berryman B-12 Chemtool fuel treatment. $2.97 for a 16oz. can at Walmart, couldnt find it at any auto-parts or other stores in the area.. not sure what that says of the quality if i can only find it at Walmart... anyway, it comes in the same kind of container as Sea-Foam, but its deff not the same stuff. it has a much stronger smell. it also does not mention an upper cylinder lube, fuel stabilizer, or anything about being used in the engine oil.
it does however, warn not to spill it on painted surfaces because it removes paint. which it does quite well when applied full strength (i had to try) so im sure it will strip that nasty varnish outta the carbs. but i dont know how powerful it would be when you mix only 1 ounce (as directed) with a gallon of gas.
it actually smells just like carb cleaner spray, maybe a little more potent though. i put a little on my fingers, let it evaporate, and there was no oily residue left. deff only for cleaning, no lubing properties at all.
i have a nearly-new Honda engine (5.5hp vert shaft, on a log splitter) hasnt even been run long enough to need its first oil change.. had some old gas left in it. and now it wont run w/o the choke on. there are no adjustments on the carb to mess with, so i added an extra-strength dose of the Chemtool stuff to the gas, ran it for awhile to make sure the mix got into the carb, now im gonna let it sit overnight and see if there is any change tomorrow.


also picked up a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil for $3.64 at the same Walmart, it runs about $4.50 at the auto-parts stores.
ive been reading good reviews on the stuff, so i figured id try it.
interestingly, i heard someone mention online somewhere that when they tried to buy some, there was an age restriction on it, you had to be 18 to buy it. only saw that once, so i didnt think much of it. but when i went to the checkout, i noticed as the cashier was scanning it, that the readout on the register mentioned an age restriction! lol. well anyway, i didnt have to show ID (the cashier never even mentioned it) maybe cause i just look over 18 (im 19). but w/e, i got the stuff lol
the first thing i noticed when i opened the bottle was that it has a pleasant minty smell to it! dont know what that does as far as helping performance, but i dont think it would hurt any lol.

the Marvel Mystery Oil website mentions that it acts as a fuel stabilizer. the standard mix of the MMO in gas/diesel is 4oz. per 10gal. of fuel. which is 1oz per 2.25gal... that happens to be the same mix Sta-Bil recommends.
just cause im such an inquisitive guy, i think i might buy some fresh gas sometime and compare the two in separate cups to see which goes stale first. (all the gas i have already has Sta-Bil in it) MMO is much cheaper than Sta-bil, so if it works just as good, thats a way to save some cash lol.
anyway, its supposed to lube the fuel system, upper cylinder, valves, all that good stuff, and keep the carb clean too.
its also supposed to keep the spark plugs and fuel injectors clean of carbon deposits.
it says you can use it at a 10-20% mix in the crankcase every oil change to clean the deposits in the crankcase. i hear it has excellent cleaning properties. but i wouldnt use it all the time, just to remove the deposits and then drain the oil. i might see how that works in an engine im borrowing from someone i know doesnt change the oil regularly.

ive mixed extra-strength doses of the MMO in the fuel of my Kohler K181, in such concentration that would normally cause a fair amount of blue smoke with regular engine oil. but it seems to burn pretty cleanly. barley any more smoke than the engine already makes.

so i cant really tell if it will keep the combustion chamber clean without some good testing. i think ill clean out the little bit of carbon that might be in my mower, then run only gas that has been treated with the recommended dosage of MMO, and remove the head at the end of the season to see the results for myself, then post them here.


...crap i typed a lot!!
well, i hope someone gets some good info from all this yakking! lol
 
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probaly gettin high because most teens these days have no lives and should just get a gokart and have fun that way.
 
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