and so it begins......

Status
Not open for further replies.

Poboy kartman

Senior Moments Member
Messages
12,461
Reaction score
69
Location
White Settlement Texas
Yes and no. ....if you measure pin center to pin center and it's 3/8"... (or tooth to tooth centers) it's a #35.......

If it measures 1/2".....then it's a #40 or#41. With #40 having a thicker sproket.....

Grab a tape and report back here ...
 

davidbooth1991

New member
Messages
283
Reaction score
0
Location
Nottingham UK
Yes and no. ....if you measure pin center to pin center and it's 3/8"... (or tooth to tooth centers) it's a #35.......

If it measures 1/2".....then it's a #40 or#41. With #40 having a thicker sproket.....

Grab a tape and report back here ...

Cheers poboy!!
But were does the 219 come into it????
 

Poboy kartman

Senior Moments Member
Messages
12,461
Reaction score
69
Location
White Settlement Texas
Cheers poboy!!
But were does the 219 come into it????

IDK.....probably some dang foreign thing......

I don't want to spout off about something I don't know about. ......yeah....yeah....I know guys..... (in that case I should only have about 10 posts......but I think that's bicycle chain..... (it has no business being here......
 

davidbooth1991

New member
Messages
283
Reaction score
0
Location
Nottingham UK
IDK.....probably some dang foreign thing......

I don't want to spout off about something I don't know about. ......yeah....yeah....I know guys..... (in that case I should only have about 10 posts......but I think that's bicycle chain..... (it has no business being here......

Okay poboy thanks again matey....:thumbsup:
 

OzFab

Well-known member
Messages
15,615
Reaction score
69
Location
Warwick Qld, Australia
Cheers Jim , thanks for the help .....I have a thirst for knowledge, I need to know how you know lol. What equasions have you got to go through.and where does the other part of the ratio come in to it. (4.5:1) other part being the four... Once again many thanks Jim

That's 4.5, as in 4 & a half to 1; so, if you have a 10t clutch, you'd need a 45t axle sprocket...

Likewise, if you have a 70t axle sprocket & a 12t clutch:

70/12=5.833333333

So, the ratio would be 5.83:1

Cheers poboy!!
But were does the 219 come into it????

Have a quick read of this
 

davidbooth1991

New member
Messages
283
Reaction score
0
Location
Nottingham UK
Thanks again fabroman I get it now. Its always the simplist thing lol. That makes sense. These sprockets (219) are a completely different pitch for about a 8mm chain pitch. That I think is too weak....
 

davidbooth1991

New member
Messages
283
Reaction score
0
Location
Nottingham UK
Hi all,
If I were able to go ahead with a CVT. Would I be able to keep the 36 tooth rear sprocket..I'm struggling to fid any in the UK that are in my budget...
 

firemanjim

Just kartin' around....
Messages
5,247
Reaction score
87
Location
Houston Texas
Sorry,Dave..... I don't think that 36 is gonna work for you. How about a small simple jackshaft? You have #40/41 chain so your clutch is going to be at minimum, 10 teeth. Ok, so 10 and 36 gets you 3.6:1 and we said that's no good. So get a 14 and a 24 tooth jackshaft sprocket, a short shaft, and 2 bearings..... The 14 & 24 tooth coupled with the 10 & 36, will get you 6.171:1.... That's great! Or change the 24 to 22 and you get 5.657:1....... More high end.
Or change the 14 to 16 and have MORE high end......@5.4:1
Or change the 14 to 12 and have more low end, @ 7.2:1
If I haven't confused you yet let me know, cause I can keep swapping numbers all night..... :welcome2::oops::oops: I mean :cheers2::cheers2:
 

Poboy kartman

Senior Moments Member
Messages
12,461
Reaction score
69
Location
White Settlement Texas
Sorry,Dave..... I don't think that 36 is gonna work for you. How about a small simple jackshaft? You have #40/41 chain so your clutch is going to be at minimum, 10 teeth. Ok, so 10 and 36 gets you 3.6:1 and we said that's no good. So get a 14 and a 24 tooth jackshaft sprocket, a short shaft, and 2 bearings..... The 14 & 24 tooth coupled with the 10 & 36, will get you 6.171:1.... That's great! Or change the 24 to 22 and you get 5.657:1....... More high end.
Or change the 14 to 16 and have MORE high end......@5.4:1
Or change the 14 to 12 and have more low end, @ 7.2:1
If I haven't confused you yet let me know, cause I can keep swapping numbers all night..... :welcome2::oops::oops: I mean :cheers2::cheers2:

HECK.....you confused me.....anf and I know what you are talking about. .....:rolleyes:
 

davidbooth1991

New member
Messages
283
Reaction score
0
Location
Nottingham UK
Ok jim thank you kindly (hats off)..
I can sort other sprockets and make a mini axle. With the sprockets on. I think that would be better anyway. I know how to work out ratios as in what they would be. I was wondering how you guys can tell which ratios are good. As in what will work and what won't. I've never built anything that is propelled by an engine before so for educational purposes it would be great to learn.....
 

firemanjim

Just kartin' around....
Messages
5,247
Reaction score
87
Location
Houston Texas
General rule of thumb..... The bigger the number before :1 means the more torque / power it will have. The smaller the number,the more speed it will have. The average baseline gear ratio for a kart is 6:1,being on a simple yard kart with 11" tires. It's when you change the kart, ie for off road, more weight, or bigger tires..... That's when the need for a different ratio comes in. The more resistance you have (all of the above ) ,the more ooomph you need to get going and stay going. If you are using 15" tires with a CC, then you have to gear down to around 8:1. Depending on how and where you drive, you might get away with 7.2:1. Anything more than that, you're gonna need a torque converter and still need a lower ratio. Does that make sense?
My single seat yellow jacket has a modded gx160 and in the 9hp+ range. I run 11.5" tall tires, the kart and me weigh in around 300lbs. My current ratio is 4.8:1..... It's a yard kart turned street runner. :)lolgoku:) That ratio works for me and my set up. If it was a 2 seater, I'd be back at 5.8:1-6.4:1......
 

davidbooth1991

New member
Messages
283
Reaction score
0
Location
Nottingham UK
General rule of thumb..... The bigger the number before :1 means the more torque / power it will have. The smaller the number,the more speed it will have. The average baseline gear ratio for a kart is 6:1,being on a simple yard kart with 11" tires. It's when you change the kart, ie for off road, more weight, or bigger tires..... That's when the need for a different ratio comes in. The more resistance you have (all of the above ) ,the more ooomph you need to get going and stay going. If you are using 15" tires with a CC, then you have to gear down to around 8:1. Depending on how and where you drive, you might get away with 7.2:1. Anything more than that, you're gonna need a torque converter and still need a lower ratio. Does that make sense?
My single seat yellow jacket has a modded gx160 and in the 9hp+ range. I run 11.5" tall tires, the kart and me weigh in around 300lbs. My current ratio is 4.8:1..... It's a yard kart turned street runner. :)lolgoku:) That ratio works for me and my set up. If it was a 2 seater, I'd be back at 5.8:1-6.4:1......

So by speed you mean top end...and torque is how fast you get to it....so you cant have a top speed of 150mph with a 1:1 ratio( for example) as it will take several days and a push to get to it....
 

firemanjim

Just kartin' around....
Messages
5,247
Reaction score
87
Location
Houston Texas
So by speed you mean top end...and torque is how fast you get to it....so you cant have a top speed of 150mph with a 1:1 ratio( for example) as it will take several days and a push to get to it....
:lolgoku::lolgoku: exactly..... :thumbsup:


So shall I go
10t drive - 14 T js
14t js - 24t js
24t js - 36t axle....

You almost got it right..... 10t clutch to the 24 tooth on the jackshaft. Back to a 14 tooth turning the 36tooth on the axle.
The way you had it, would give you 2.1:1......
See , with a jackshaft, it easy to play with gearing, all the time. You only swap one gear for another. And not big tooth count differences either. If you took the time to make a couple different ratio set ups, you could easily swap out for high gears to go run the streets. Then you can swap back to a low gear ratio for romping through the mud and muck.... All it takes is different sprockets and you can make a chain to length, for each ratio set up. So, in reality, if you want to change from high to low (or vice versa), you would take off the retaining nut from the shaft. Slide off old sprockets, slide on new sprockets,then put the nut back on. Apply correct chain, and snug it all up. This can be done in 20 minutes or less..... Not that bad....
 

davidbooth1991

New member
Messages
283
Reaction score
0
Location
Nottingham UK
:lolgoku::lolgoku: exactly..... :thumbsup:




You almost got it right..... 10t clutch to the 24 tooth on the jackshaft. Back to a 14 tooth turning the 36tooth on the axle.
The way you had it, would give you 2.1:1......
See , with a jackshaft, it easy to play with gearing, all the time. You only swap one gear for another. And not big tooth count differences either. If you took the time to make a couple different ratio set ups, you could easily swap out for high gears to go run the streets. Then you can swap back to a low gear ratio for romping through the mud and muck.... All it takes is different sprockets and you can make a chain to length, for each ratio set up. So, in reality, if you want to change from high to low (or vice versa), you would take off the retaining nut from the shaft. Slide off old sprockets, slide on new sprockets,then put the nut back on. Apply correct chain, and snug it all up. This can be done in 20 minutes or less..... Not that bad....

Ok jim, I'll get those sored out. So its best to go small gear on drive - bigger gear on the js.
To a smaller gear on the js to the bigger axle gear..
 

davidbooth1991

New member
Messages
283
Reaction score
0
Location
Nottingham UK
I've been looking for some jackshaft sprockets and I've come across some pitbike drive sprockets I can use. But I can't find 24 tooth for a 420 chain is there a different setup I can use....
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top