1959 Montgomery Wards Build (screw around tractor)

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Hi all, I'm new here and thought i would share my tractor my brother and I have been working on. It is a 1959 Montgomery Wards 8 horse lawn tractor (it still ran when we took the motor off). At first, we decided to mess around with the gearing to see if we could make it a little faster. Went and bought a 32 tooth sprocket to replace the transmission's original 8 tooth. The result was 16mph with the governor working and 20mph with it removed. After a few months, my brother dropped the clutch 1 too many times and ATE 1st gear. Literally 8 of the 12 teeth were sheared clean off. :oops: Thanks Matt!

We then had a useless tractor laying around with a destroyed 55 year old transmission. A few weeks later we were at my Dad's friend's house and he said he had an enduro laying around that he didn't need anymore. :idea2: This was no ordinary bike either. It was a 1978 Yamaha DT400B with a 2 stroke 400cc engine, one of the biggest 2 stroke bike motors i've ever seen. Now with a compression ratio of 6:1, a peak horsepower rating of 28hp, and top speed of 83mph, it's a little underpowered for it's size, but it is from the 70's :rolleyes: We began tearing down the old tractor and stripping it of its wiring, motor, and tranny. We then made a removable mounting system to hold this monstrous motor strongly and bolted it to the frame. Now I know what you're probably thinking, "Dirtbike motors have the drive sprocket on the left side and tractors on the right." Which is very true, we had to design a jackshaft setup to transfer the chain over to the correct side of the axle, using $80 worth of materials including: 2 pillow block bearings .75" ID, 14" .75" OD keyed jackshaft, 4 .75" 2 piece locking collars, 1 #40 12 tooth sprocket, 1 #50 16 tooth sprocket, and 10' of #50 chain (we recycled the #40 chain from the last sprocket swap), we completed the mechanical setup to transfer the engines energy to the rear axle. Now we are in the process of wiring all the enduro's electronics that are necessary to run the engine. For shifting I made a very simple setup. I took of the stock shifter off the engine and stood it straight up since it was on splines. from there I drilled a hole through the shifter arm and linked it to a shifting handle like a sequential shifter. Shifting pattern is: N, push forward 1st, pull back 2nd, pull 3rd, pull 4th, pull 5th. Here's some pics of the tractor with the motor:





 

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That setup looks like a disaster waiting to happen and someone is fixin to get hurt real bad. I hope you have your life insurance paid up.
 

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Can I ask why? Any one comes on here with a project. With a large engine package they are. Going get hurt--going die--hope they have life insurance. Does ever body just have to have 5-6hp to putt around there back yard.
 

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Can I ask why? Any one comes on here with a project. With a large engine package they are. Going get hurt--going die--hope they have life insurance. Does ever body just have to have 5-6hp to putt around there back yard.

No, not at all; if someone came on here & said "I'm building a pirahna buggy with a 'Busa engine", although it sounds extreme, that's ok because that's what the frame is designed for...

The other end of the stick is someone saying "I'm putting an R1 engine in a sprint kart", we'd be all over it because a sprint kart isn't designed for an engine that large or powerful &, after the necessary fabrication work to make it work, one bad weld or one wrong move & you're history...

Likewise, this contraption wasn't designed for speeds over about 15mph; to expect it to handle at speed any higher without any mods to the steering or handling is asking for trouble...

Yes, there are lots of racing mowers out there but, they're extremely modified & have to meet strict rules, regulations & scrutiny...

Rant over :)

Having said all that, I like the concept, you've obviously put a lot of thought into it but, you seriously need to put some thought & work into the front axle; the stock steering will never hold up; forget the fact that it's over half a century old, it wasn't designed for high speed in the first place...

I would also look into trying to lower it to lower the CoG...
 

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Can I ask why? Any one comes on here with a project. With a large engine package they are. Going get hurt--going die--hope they have life insurance. Does ever body just have to have 5-6hp to putt around there back yard.

:wai: It amazes me that anyone would ask a question like this. No everybody does not have to have a 5/6 hp putter arounder. Common sense goes a long way when building something of this magitude. Fabroman answered your question a whole lot better than I will try to. Put some though in what he posted and maybe then you then can fiqure out why we are down on this build. Rant over.
 

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Its not geared to go fast. I dont care if its a disaster waiting to happen. We built it like this as a No-****s-Given project. We are building a stronger steering setup obviously. If youre going to down on this project, simply stop whining and leave this thread. No one wants to hear people whine about other peoples projects.
 

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Please curb you language & your attitude, we are a family based forum with lots of young kids.

By making a post you invite everyone to comment, good or bad, if you can't handle the negative comments, don't post, simple as that...

We are the most open & down to earth forum you will find; we joke around & bust each others chops on a daily basis BUT, we take safety VERY SERIOUSLY!

If you want to build a dangerous toy, go for it, we can't stop you but, we will advise you of the dangers...

When I suggested a steering upgrade, had you mentioned you were doing so? No, so how are we to know? Also, it doesn't only need to be stronger, it needs to be better! As for lowering, I suggested that because it appears the front is higher than the rear which can be dangerous but, it would seem, that's what you're going for...

Take our advice or don't, that's up to you but, don't whine when guys who have been doing this for decades give you negative feedback that may save your life, that's why we're here...
 

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Its not geared to go fast. I dont care if its a disaster waiting to happen. We built it like this as a No-****s-Given project. We are building a stronger steering setup obviously. If youre going to down on this project, simply stop whining and leave this thread. No one wants to hear people whine about other peoples projects.

I certainly hope you are much more intelligent dealing with machinery than with forums....

Anyway. ...not every good friendship gets started on the best foot....but ....welcome to the forum and please fill out your profile so we know where you are from. ......It will come in handy for sourcing parts later and if you notice. ....this is a worldwide forum and it's nice to just look to the right and know which part of the world you are talking to......

And don't get it twisted.....we look for every reason to be positive here- but to sit back and say nothing. .. so people can get hurt or foolishly spend money ....just because it might offend them- that is not sensible behavior. .....

Besides that- the information we give out can be sourced for many years to come by many people. ....you search the site. .....

Jest sayin'.......
 

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Its not geared to go fast. I dont care if its a disaster waiting to happen. We built it like this as a No-****s-Given project. We are building a stronger steering setup obviously. If youre going to down on this project, simply stop whining and leave this thread. No one wants to hear people whine about other peoples projects.

No whinng intended. As Poboykartman and Fabromam have posted a sufficent statement to your post, I have nothing else to say. Except Safety is first when building anything and I see nothing safe about your build.
 
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