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I'm looking for a good set of tap and dies. I'm trying to get a simple machinist toolbox together. Now that I can stop throwing money at my motorcycle [finally fixed!] [Well.. It runs at least] I ordered a pair of calipers from HF after seeing a decent review comparing them to a 100 dollar pair of calipers, only slightly off.. Thats fine because I won't be doing any major machining work any time soon. :(

So what's a good place to get them, or what's a good company that sells a set that'll last me a lifetime?

I'm also looking for a drill press. craigslist hasn't offered me anything good yet!
 

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I don't know where you'd buy them locally... Maybe home Depot? Any GOOD hardware store should have them. Stick to the name brand stuff. I made the mistake of buying a chinese tap and die set the first time through, and ruined a couple taps in very short order. Yeah- it'll probably cost you, but then again, you do tend to get what you pay for.
 

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I also bought a cheaper set (around 40 pieces) some years ago & I've only had a problem with the tap wrenches & I've given them a workout...

I think it depends on what chinese brand you get...

Having said that, a complete tap & die set will cost you thousands of dollars, when you consider that there's 3 taps for every thread (a starter, an intermediate & a finisher), it all depends on exactly what you intend to do.

I would start with something like this &, over time, as you use them, replace the most commonly used pieces with higher quality pieces
 

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I'm looking for a good set of tap and dies. I'm trying to get a simple machinist toolbox together. Now that I can stop throwing money at my motorcycle [finally fixed!] [Well.. It runs at least] I ordered a pair of calipers from HF after seeing a decent review comparing them to a 100 dollar pair of calipers, only slightly off.. Thats fine because I won't be doing any major machining work any time soon. :(

So what's a good place to get them, or what's a good company that sells a set that'll last me a lifetime?

I'm also looking for a drill press. craigslist hasn't offered me anything good yet!

I don't know where you'd buy them locally... Maybe home Depot? Any GOOD hardware store should have them. Stick to the name brand stuff. I made the mistake of buying a chinese tap and die set the first time through, and ruined a couple taps in very short order. Yeah- it'll probably cost you, but then again, you do tend to get what you pay for.

While I use HF for some things, consumable tooling is not one of them. That means drills, tap, dies, abrasive products; anything that gets used up/abraded/worn out doing it's job. I also don't have much use for "sets" that are sold for consumer use;(my forum name is "Machinistatlarge" because that's what I am; a machinist by trade).

The best way to build a tap & die set for yourself is to buy them as you actually need them/ and/or plan to need them. A good hardware store (Ace/ True Value/ Do It Best/ an Old School Local) should carry decent brands such as Vermont/ Morse/ OSG/etc. in individual pieces. You'll pay a little more for each piece up front, one at a time, but you can spread your purchases out to match you budget/ use cycle (buy it as you need it).

If you are looking to buy all the pieces you desire up front, you'll want to shop at the industrial suppliers; since you live in Florida (please correct me if I'm wrong) you'll have to hit the phonebook; I personally have used Production Tool Supply, J&L Supply, MSC, and Enco, as well as several local, family owned one shop suppliers.

Now, as for brands; many of the best brands have several levels of quality. Their prices reflect this. One thing I would be wary of is "World Class" generic imports; while many are decent, some can make HF look good (which is a sign of just how bad they are).

If you do decide to sample HF's offerings, I've personally found several threads as well as a stand alone web site that review HF tools. The first is HF reviews.com (a stand alone web site), then two site's that have extensive threads, HF tools that suck, and HF tools that don't suck. Weldingweb.com and MyTractor.com. You'll have to key in HF tools to search the forums (sorry, I'm just barely computer literate enough to even get online).

Please be aware that any quality tooling is actually going to cost real money; one 1/4-20 NC tap can cost $2~$4 dollars; when you see an import SET for $20 ~$40 dollars,you begin to see the quality gap.

I hope this helps; I'm not on top of my game tonight. I had to hit a deadline at work yesterday, and, well lets just say flipping ~500 lb frames over to weld them is costing me today. As soon as the latest dose of Ibuprofen kicks in, I'm off to bed.....:surrender::surrender::oops:
 

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^ no I wasn't planning on buying HF Kits.. I only was saying I bought a simple pair of calipers to use from them. As I do a lot of moving around place to place. Helping friends ect. I needed a cheaper pair of calipers I could bang up and not be throwing around 100 dollar tool.

And I saw ace had a decent section on Taps and dies. I wasn't sure on the brands and how good they where, I bought a Irwin "speedbor" 1 1/2" for making a hole for a homemade gun vice [came out decently!] From ace, and I do say.. that was some dildo shet! after 2 holes in a 2 inch thick piece of wood, the tooling must of gotten hot and the corners "burnt up" yes.. They bent and flew off! So I was questioning the "reliability" of aces tooling selection. Tomorrow I'll ride over there and see what company makes the tooling, and look up the reviews.

While i'm on the question. Machinist what's a good leveling tool for when I get a drill press? I'm not sure what there called. It goes in the chuck, and you run the piece under it around, and it has a little needle that shows the level of the piece?

I agree what with you said over all.. You get what you pay for! I try not to be cheap on my tools!! I don't think I have a single chinese tool! I bought a 5 piece file set from sweden. Close to 200 dollars!! for some files! My girlfriend loves my tool obsession.. she's really gonna hate when I dish out 10 grand for a metal lathe! [Maybe I'll get her that puppy she's been dying for when I do!] hahahaha.
 

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a good retailer of taps is Caterpillar
they will sell to the public if u go in there

they are top quality taps that are re branded as CAT
they are also the same ones the snap on dude sells
they are also cheapish

we go though 1/2" and 9/16" taps like they are going out of fashion (a few a week)
they cost $3 for a 9/16" and $4.30 for a 1/2"

i wouldnt bother with a set
they always come with a large range that u will never use

and unless u are doing some real machining then u will never use the dies
i mean who makes bolts?
 

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Most of us probably DON'T make bolts- but a fistful off common dies can be quite handy for chasing threads- whether it's straightening out a ding in a thread or taking the rust off.

As far as "sets" go, I have a set from Canadian Tire (yeah I know it doesn't help you- sorry) that ran me about $100 IIRC. I cannot complain about the taps in the set. I so use them and have not had a failure.

Some of it probably depends on your perspective. We've got a professional machinist, and a heavy equipment man on here, other pro's too. The rest of us are just hobbyists and DIY-guys. Us hobbyists don't need the best of the best. Don't need garbage either. Nothing wrong with middle-of-the-road stuff under the right circumstances.
 

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I just run thread files and a triangle file to clean threads

Although I get access to more or less free bolts so if its not the end of a shaft in an expensive component then if we can't clean it we replace it
 

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Getting to the heart of the thread (pun intended)

^ no I wasn't planning on buying HF Kits..

Good. The reviews were terrible.

And I saw ace had a decent section on Taps and dies. I wasn't sure on the brands and how good they where, I bought a Irwin "speedbor" 1 1/2" for making a hole for a homemade gun vice [came out decently!] From ace, and I do say.. that was some dildo shet! after 2 holes in a 2 inch thick piece of wood, the tooling must of gotten hot and the corners "burnt up" yes.. They bent and flew off! So I was questioning the "reliability" of aces tooling selection. Tomorrow I'll ride over there and see what company makes the tooling, and look up the reviews.

Thanks for reminding me; Irwin makes/markets a decent grade of metal cutting drill bits, taps, and dies. As for the bit you list above; I'm guessing it was a spade type wood bit, by your description. And yes, drilling wood can generate enough heat to pull the temper out of the steel. How fast were you spinning it? (RPM wise).

While i'm on the question. Machinist what's a good leveling tool for when I get a drill press? I'm not sure what there called. It goes in the chuck, and you run the piece under it around, and it has a little needle that shows the level of the piece?

A dial indicator. I'll have to get a couple of photo's from my tool box today to give you a better idea of what to look for. Give me a couple of hours.

I agree what with you said over all.. You get what you pay for! I try not to be cheap on my tools!! I don't think I have a single chinese tool! I bought a 5 piece file set from sweden. Close to 200 dollars!! for some files! My girlfriend loves my tool obsession.. she's really gonna hate when I dish out 10 grand for a metal lathe! [Maybe I'll get her that puppy she's been dying for when I do!] hahahaha.

$40.00 a file was a bit extreme; I guessing they were Baho or Fiskars? Sweden is justifiably known for the quality of their steel and steel products. Nicolsen's brand from the hardware work well and are ~1/4 the cost. To bad they recently moved file production to Mexico.:censored:

a good retailer of taps is Caterpillar
they will sell to the public if u go in there

Interesting; I hadn't heard of them selling tooling.

they are top quality taps that are re branded as CAT
they are also the same ones the snap on dude sells
they are also cheapish

we go though 1/2" and 9/16" taps like they are going out of fashion (a few a week)
they cost $3 for a 9/16" and $4.30 for a 1/2"

Those prices sound reasonable.

i wouldnt bother with a set
they always come with a large range that u will never use

Personally, I've had to use every piece in the set, and had to special order even more that weren't part of it.......

and unless u are doing some real machining then u will never use the dies
i mean who makes bolts?

I can see both sides of this argument; don't use dies very often, but when I need them they can be a real A$$ saver.....

Most of us probably DON'T make bolts- but a fistful off common dies can be quite handy for chasing threads- whether it's straightening out a ding in a thread or taking the rust off.

As far as "sets" go, I have a set from Canadian Tire (yeah I know it doesn't help you- sorry) that ran me about $100 IIRC. I cannot complain about the taps in the set. I so use them and have not had a failure.

Thats about what I would expect to pay for a basic set up to 1/2" size.....

Some of it probably depends on your perspective. We've got a professional machinist, and a heavy equipment man on here, other pro's too. The rest of us are just hobbyists and DIY-guys. Us hobbyists don't need the best of the best. Don't need garbage either. Nothing wrong with middle-of-the-road stuff under the right circumstances.

Agreed, and well spoken.

I just run thread files and a triangle file to clean threads

Although I get access to more or less free bolts so if its not the end of a shaft in an expensive component then if we can't clean it we replace it

Thread files, triangle files (multiple sizes), single point chasing tool, Dremel micro slitting/cut off disk in the 60,000 RPM pencil grinder (free handing it), you name it, and I've probably tried it to salvage/repair an old machine that uses some now defunct thread pitch or profile........:surrender::lolgoku::popcorn:
 

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I would expect u to use all the dies and as u say
Have to get some random *** special ones
Although u are in a fairly differant situation

If u get a dial indicator, get one with a magnetic base
Makes it much easier to test movement on any machine at any angle

Yes caterpillar have huge range of tools
I've got a catalog to rival a phone book
Anything from pressing gear to paint brushes
 

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......If u get a dial indicator, get one with a magnetic base
Makes it much easier to test movement on any machine at any angle .......

Agreed. I was going to snap some photo's today, then stood there for a couple of minutes and said to myself; "You're just going to have to set up some examples of 1] different style indicators 2] how you would use them." Crap; I don't have the time today. I'll have to dig into it this week. And I think I might just make a scenic detour coming home one afternoon to swing by Michigan Cat; it's probably a bit smaller than the branch you work out of, but should still be interesting.....

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Not that I told u this but....

If u want to get stuff a bit cheaper then use a big company's trade price

Pick the company with the most employees in your city and use thier name
ho in there and say "I want these tools on Bobs tractors account for a cash sale

They will sell u the tools under trade price but u pay cash on the spot
If they ask for an order number just look annoyed and say u forgot it and will pay standard price
 

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Not that I told u this but....

If u want to get stuff a bit cheaper then use a big company's trade price

Pick the company with the most employees in your city and use thier name
ho in there and say "I want these tools on Bobs tractors account for a cash sale

They will sell u the tools under trade price but u pay cash on the spot
If they ask for an order number just look annoyed and say u forgot it and will pay standard price


:lolgoku::funnypost::smiley_omg:

I can go one better; just use the family farms tax ID#. Farm use is non taxed in Michigan. Plus, being a legit business, I don't have to fake it!!!!!:wai::cheers2:
 
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