Firearms.

[B.M.800]

There's still some ugly in there, but thanks for the explanation. Curious- Between the M16 and AR15- if they are built on the same platform, couldn't a less-than-wonderful citizen swap some parts around and skirt the law by converting to full auto?

I dont remember what it was, My brother was talking about some sort of firearm that you could buy, but it either couldnt fire, was only semi automatic or was single shot or something... but you could get parts or do a simple modification to make it full auto. Some World War erra something, its been a while.

But like Devino stated, some can be converted to full auto easily enough, others would need some custom machined parts and whatnot.


I found a Sten gun for sale on the local claasifieds, apparently it was used as a prop or something. The action was welded, I wondered if a person could grind off the welds and polish it up so it would fire... I dont know what all was done to it to prevent it to fire, but at $500 I wasnt going to try.


So Ive decided I want to try to get some surplus ammunition for my 30-06... Found a place that sells stuff for M1 Garands including ammunition... armor pearcing, FMJ... best part is its reloadable. Hope Im not missing anything and I can still get some...


{EDIT} Fatcat,
You should think about going hunting, or maybe even just go with a buddy sometime. It would be a good experience for ya.

 

[FatCat]

I'm not against hunting at all. I've helped my dad go several times. He's an avid hunter but he's handicapped. I've never had the urge to pull the trigger on something though. I talked to a member off another forum. I may go elk hunting with him one day. Just havnt had the itch yet.

 

[B.M.800]

I'm not against hunting at all. I've helped my dad go several times. He's an avid hunter but he's handicapped. I've never had the urge to pull the trigger on something though. I talked to a member off another forum. I may go elk hunting with him one day. Just havnt had the itch yet.

Sounds good!

My first year hunting sucked, except for the part where my buddy tripped over a stick(FRIGGEN HILARIOUS). I plan on going out whenever I can, I enjoyed bein out in th woods. Good times.

 

[florida_mud_runner]

We can legally get these firearms as semi auto. They can be converted. I've got a buddy with a converted AK-47. **** thing overheats and jams up after a short burst. Just not designed to be full auto. I've got a Ruger 10-22 and a book of instructions to make the switch. I'll be doing this one day. It's for fun guys. Me nor any of my buddies are exterminating anything. Wellaybe old oil jugs. Hell I've never killed anything but an insect. I'm a jolly giant. I dont even hunt because I don't want to kill anything. I'll eat it but I don't want to be the guy to kill it. We go shooting for fun. Here in America our second amendment gives us the right to have guns. We don't mess with the constitution. We let those weasels start that and it'll go to hell in a hurry. The pre 86 full auto's cost a fortune. Someday I'll have a legal one. These few bad apples shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us. Just bought me a nice little toy tonight. And another Tri zinger but that's another story. Lol
I'll enjoy my guns. Thank you very much! If you don't want them don't buy them. Simple as that. If your afraid of them I never said you had to have one. I'll never harm anyone unless you invade my home or try to harm my family. If you do. I'm gonna ruin your day I think it was Teddy Roosevelt who said it. "speak softly but carry a big stick!" These goons ever try to take these from me I'll give them my bullets..... I'll even warm them up first!

I couldn't have said it better myself !

 

[HaM551]

These few bad apples shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us.
I'll enjoy my guns. Thank you very much! If you don't want them don't buy them. Simple as that. If your afraid of them I never said you had to have one. !

"bad apples" ? interesting way of putting it , I think many people who are for guns would change their views if something similar to a shooting ever happened to someone close to them. This statement below sums up the real problems i think. Although this is just my opinion it seems quite wrong to me. However i am interested in what you guys thought of it.

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
"I wish to God she had had an m-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out ... and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids," Gohmert said of slain principal Dawn Hochsprung on Fox News Sunday.

 

[FatCat]

"bad apples" ? interesting way of putting it , I think many people who are for guns would change their views if something similar to a shooting ever happened to someone close to them. This statement below sums up the real problems i think. Although this is just my opinion it seems quite wrong to me. However i am interested in what you guys thought of it.

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
"I wish to God she had had an m-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out ... and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids," Gohmert said of slain principal Dawn Hochsprung on Fox News Sunday.

I wouldnt change my views at all. You must meet force with more force! Rep. Louie Gohmert said it perfectly. Amen brother! The criminals will get guns anyway. Only way to deal with them is to be willing and ABLE to defend yourself. Good luck with your tire iron against some creep with a gun. Ted Nugent says it right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUIXH9DeCRU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Hey Aussies. Heard of some incidents with a chainsaw and some brick throwers in the last couple days. Maybe you should ban those to....

"A man wielding a knife stabbed an elderly woman and then 22 children outside an elementary school in China on Friday before being subdued by security guards."
Happened same day as the shootings happened here.

"At least three children were killed and 13 injured when a man armed with a machete rushed into a private day care centre in Pingnan county, Guangxi , yesterday and hacked 16 primary school pupils who were having lunch."

Looks like only plastic butter knifes for you guys....

Your looking to put a band-aid on a fractured skull. What if the teacher, bartender, whoever pulled out a gun and sprayed their brains on the wall. Bet these people would think twice before pulling these stunts. Fear is a great motivator!

 

[florida_mud_runner]

wow ! I am gonna have to agree with FatCat on this !!! We are really on the same page when it comes to this . I believe it is slightly off topic but this is what is going on right now here in the states

I am a very strong advocate on the right to buy , bare and possess arms .... It shouldn't matter what it is !!!

Violence and death are going to happen regardless by the people that are disturbed so why not let us defend ourselves .

In Australia :

Really !!!! its ok to own and possess as long as its locked in a cabinet and the ammo is locked in a separate cabinet ???

WTH is that !?!?! A disturbed burglar is not going to wait for you to get your gun ready before he robs you or possibly murders your loved ones !!!!

our system isnt broke .... So dont fix it !!!! Its the individuals using the guns that are broken NOT the system . Get a better screening process or what ever . You can ban guns but the sick ones will still have them leaving us , the honest ones unable to defend against the sick ones

 

[fowler]

It's still a culture thing

A primary school teacher with there finger on the trigger would not have saved the kids
It's easy to say " I'd have cut that SOB in half with a large caliber gun

But few people I know would have it in them to point a gun at anougther person and pull the trigger
I know people who think they could do it but really wouldn't
Then u add the stress and confusion of a robbery in the middle of the night and most people would break down under the pressure of the situation
It gets dangerous when u give a gun to a young woman and tell her it'll keep her safe
Then a total stranger happens to be going the sane way as her
She gets worried and shots him
A poor bloke in perth got stabbed while offering assistance to a drunk woman

It's very rare for someone to break into your house in the middle of the night to kill u unless u happened to have pissed off the bikers
In that case u will get mowed down any where and its your own fault

Otherwise burgerlers break in during the day when no ones home
If they try to steal from u while u are at home then yes u do need guns to weed out the really thick genes floating around

I've had a young "native" kid try to get into my house at night
But he was so determined to get the fly wire out that I walked up behind him and smashed a bottle on the wall next to him
He cleared off pretty quick and the cops got him later on

EDIT
It's just occurred to me that u Americans wouldn't use or know of fly wire
Google it
It's effectivly a fine wire mesh that goes across every window in the house in every house on the country it's to keep out the flys and snakes
If any one wants to break in they have to get the fly wire out and have to make quite a racket for a few minutes
And of course because everyone grows up with fly wire then u don't notice security screens
And u can't get through those without serious tooling

Yeah it would suck knowing someone could get in and back out of your house without making any noise

EDIT 2
Don't google fly wire that's a pair of shoes
Fly screen or Australian fly wire

 

[Doc Sprocket]

We know your fly wire as a "window screen".

 

[FatCat]

Fowler: we have window screens here. A 3rd old cold push right through it. That's not the point. If you decide to enter my home uninvited your going to die. Simple as that. I'm not physically intimidated by anyone. That's just a mistake a person will only get to make once. I challenge the statement I wouldn't kill you dead if I saw you mowing down children. Wouldn't even think twice about about it. its ludacris of you to think otherwise. I am a softy for kids but its our job to protect them. If you wouldnt your not half a man. I don't crack under pressure. I do what needs to be done. Also if you came into my home I'll have no mercy on you. That would be a fatal mistake. There is a totally different rule set out in public. The guy who got stabbed by a drunk is a strange situation. Perhaps that was the booze thinking for her???
That's not an issue with me. I had some addiction issues at a young age but I have chose to live a sober life as an adult. Much cleaner life really. I wouldn't pull a gun out and blast you unless it came to mine or a loved ones life being in true danger. I'm smart enough to know whats real and what isn't. I guess not everyone is but I'll be ready just in case. Better safe than sorry. At any given time I have a firearm on me. Once I graduated high school and it was appropriate for me to have one I have ever since. I hope to never have to use it for that purpose. I enjoy them for sport. If my mind was set on it I could kill you with a steak knife. It's the people that are the problem. Not the guns. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. You seem to not realize that. Not once has a gun killed a person on it's own. More people die in car accidents than from guns. So by your logic we shouldn't have cars???

 

[devino246]

Just a friendly reminder: keep it civil. This thread will get closed down real quick, otherwise...

 

[FatCat]

I apologize. Wasnt meaning to be uncivil. Just sharing my thoughts on the matter. We can agree to disagree and still be buds. I'll still do my thing and he can do his. No harm done. People do have very strong opinions on both sides of the fence.
I was raised in a household full of guns. Even guns sitting around loaded. We were taught how to handle them safely and intelligently. Not once has it ever been an issue. I do agree some people aren't stable enough to handle that but no way some fruit loop will have one when I'm sitting around with nothing. We do live around the world from one another. I'm sure things are quite different. Didn't mean to offend anyone.

 

[Doc Sprocket]

I think there's a couple of key points to be gleaned.
1)There IS a differentiation in the DEGREE of damage to be done. You MIGHT kill somebody with a cricket bat. You'll LIKELY kill somebody with a .22. You can kill an entire crowd with an UZI, see point #2

2)You have a bat. I get a knife. You get a small caliber gun. I get a big one. You get a grenade. I get an RPG. You get a nuke.... Where does it end?

3) I keep seeing statements like "I would never, or I would..." That's you, and that's great. There are well over 7 billion people on the planet, and I would quite humbly suggest that a BIG percentage of them should not own a firearm., and for varying reasons. What say you? Should every idiot have the capability of mowing down crowds at will?

4)Laws- we all know that criminals and mental patients don't really concern themselves with laws. BUT- With so many guns available, it really doesn't take much to get one, either by theft or the black market. What good are the laws? This is where my previous punishment comments come into play.

 

[robbie]

Whenever this discussion comes up I always have the same question. Why are so many people eager to trust the government with weapons but not the neighbor? As far as I can tell the government is at least 90% rotten, and I'm being charitable. You want gun control? Take the guns away from the government first.

You want to know what the real problem is? Maybe this should be where we start looking: http://ssristories.com/index.php

 

[florida_mud_runner]

@robbie I agree , The first option in the states is to distrust government .... in my opinion , they are nothing better than legalized mafia !!!! I would trust the neighbor down the road first ! there is so much people are so blind to when it comes to government its unbelievable !!!! Its a daily thing for me .... I prepare my family for 2013 .

I dont compete ..... I just keep well prepared toystory_4wd ...... its coming !!!! Its just a matter of time !!!! Obama is a target waiting for someone to shoot him !! Its coming , mark my words , he is stirring up things that shouldn't be disturbed ! Its just a matter of time !

Sorry people , you have struck a topic that I fully study daily !!! Its the health of my family to pay attention . If it goes south (so to speak) I am prepared !

I am a survivor and will not be brung down by gov.

I hope everyone has a great day ! But where your day turns bad is when you dont pay attention ! Please pay attention ..... sometimes it is a matter of life and death !

 

[CAPTAINCAVEMAN]

we own two .22 pistols one 7mm08 two .243 one lefty one righty 2 Remington wingmaster 870 12 gages a 20 gage one 410 Gage one side by side 16 gage one .50 caliber muzzle loader one 28 gage one lever action .22 marlin all have been used for hunting at one point or another all have also been used for rec shooting... we love to shoot. we love to hunt. I have noticed that I agree with many points on this thread and I have discussed all of them before.
if there was a way to keep guns out of criminals hands it would be great.
if everyone had a gun and didn't use it for criminal purposes and/or people used them to prevent it it would be great.
this will never happen, there will always be criminals and there is nothing we can do about it.
on the other hand I want my guns, when they are used safely they can make for fun sport and can also be used effectively to fill the freezer.
one last thing if you are getting a gun for self defense but you are afraid of that gun you should not get it because it is more dangerous in your hands than if you never picked it up. also I think people should never lend their gun to anybody unless they are right by their side.
another last thing in some places there are gun deposits funded by the police or other gov organizations for the person who doesn't use their gun or if they inherited a gun from their dead husband and they don't know how to use it. they will pay you for your gun and it will be out of your hair. this helps keep people from using a firearm in an inappropriate way that could be hazardous. also if you don't have a gun safe still keep your gun safe most crimes committed with a firearm are stolen weapons.

 

[carter]

Well I suppose many of you will disagree with me here but I believe fully in allowing citizens to possess assault weapon. I figure a gun that's dangerous in a man's hands will be dangerous if it fires a 7.62 at 600 rounds a minute, or if it fires a 9 millimeter every time you pull the trigger. The fact remains that if someone is to be killed by a gun they will be killed by it regardless of the type, and that any gun is capable of killing multiple people (assuming it's semi automatic, 3 round burst, or fully automatic). Nobody without a gun will charge somebody with a gun.

Personally if I were to own an assault weapon it would be more out of fascination with the mechanisms at work than for the joy of shooting it(unless it were a 1919, a ma deuce, or one of those cool ruger crank machine gun deals). Personally I enjoy bigger calibers and longer shots for fun as opposed to just lobbing out rounds.

 

[FatCat]

EZ on the assassination comments Floridamudrunner. Big brother is always watching.

I do agree with you on not buying guns to one up anybody. I buy guns that I like. I prefer nobody but close friends and family even know what i have. Its nobodys business. Honestly I buy a lot based on the way they look or finding them for the right price. I gather them in trades also. I guess I'm a collector of sorts. I have several guns that I've only shot a handful of rounds through. I make sure they fire, make sure theyre accurate, and them maintain them. It's just money in the bank IMO. I've never lost money on a gun. Have seen some surprising increases in value though. I also hoard ammo for all of them. A gun is useless without bullets. That's the first thing they'll pull off the shelves. Id take a Louisville slugger over a gun with no bullets any day of the week. I dont waste expensive rounds, I collect them. For plinking where I want to shoot a lot of rounds I shoot .22LR and .22 magnums for long range. What I carry on me for personal protection is an early 60's Italian made Beretta 950 Minx and 2 extra clips. Traded a push mower for it. It shoots .22 shorts. It's a small round but I could drive nails with it. Perfect for it's purpose. I could definately kill with it if neccesary or just ruin your day and get you moving in the other direction. Choice is mine. Wonderful Illinois declares me a big bad criminal for carrying this. It's a great all purpose gun. My 7yo nephew shoots it all the time. I can make this little guy disappear in a hurry if necessary and it's all I need to get the job done. Fits in the palm of my hand. Cant even see it in my pocket. Big caliber handguns and assault rifles are cool guns but im just as effective with this one in close range. I'll keep the big boys in my closet.

 

[florida_mud_runner]

EZ on the assassination comments Floridamudrunner. Big brother is always watching.

Yes sir , I know . It wont be me that does this

You sound identical to me in a lot of aspects ..... I thought they broke the mold when they made me !!!

 

[bighead]

Australian Gun Law Update�

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to
surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria.....
lone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins andassaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!
Will you be one of the sheep to turn yours in?
WHY? You will need it.