Picking an engine for an off-road kart

Liberty_Jesus

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So I had an idea to make a shifter off-road kart. The frame will probably be whatever single seater kart with a good engine position. But what engine? Preferably air cooled and single cylinder oh and it needs a gearbox and 4 stroke is preferred. 2 stroke is ok but I have no experience with them. Basically go for the most power for my money. I want this thing to rip! Oh and by the way I have no idea if I'll actually do this I just randomly thought of this and want to plan it out so I can price it out.
 

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Suzuki savage, sv650, ninja 500, katana, Honda rebel etc etc. From the way you explain things I'd say you are looking at a motorcycle drivetrain. Some of the listed has single cylinders some have dual, all are four stroke with a gearbox, some are air cooled, and some of those are not. I'd say start looking for a motorcycle, a quad would likely be even better.
 

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That Suzuki savage sounds awesome! 650cc in one cylinder! Air cooled too so no expensive radiators. Just it's final drive is a belt could I somehow modify it to use chain?
 

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The questions youre asking make me think you may not have the capabilities to safely build something like this yourself. Once you get into motorcycle engines, your really leaving the realm of simple yard carts. hopefully that doesnt come across offensively. just some things to consider

-Do you plan on making this chassis yourself?
-If not, consider most go carts will need serious work to handle the power...been there done that...wasnt worth it. Think front brakes, custom engine cradle (cutting torches, or a LONG time with an angle grinder), shifting linkage, reinforced rear axle carriers, upgraded tires, steering components, etc.
-A single cylinder 4 stroke air cooled motorcycle engine really limits you, and in my opinion is a lot of effort/cost for not much reward. Most single cyl air cooled bikes are dirtbikes, which hold their value fairly well. my 350 suzuki, makes 33hp, but the bike even thrashed would still be worth 800 bucks.

The cheapest motorcycle engine you will find, is likely going to be a 70s/80s honda yamaha, suzuki or kawi cruiser, 2/4 cylinders, and likely 400cc+ I've bought many complete motorcycles in the 50-200 dollar range (im up in vermont, some even came from mass). Is there a specific reason you want single cylinder?

-An ATV engine may be better in some scenarios, as it will likely have reverse. But most air cooled ATVs are relatively low horsepower/displacement.
 

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You'll be better off buying a go kart or go kart kit and putting an industrial engine on it, than trying to put a motorcycle engine on a frame, without some serious fabrication skill or at least help. An air cooled Honda Rebel 250 (234cc) parallel twin makes about 16hp. The thing about dirt bike engines is, majority of them are kick start only, which will present it's own unique challenges. A dual sport will generally have electric start, which will be better, mostly in preventing a runaway.

There's a lot of wiring that needs to be done with bike engines, more so if you end up with a bike with fuel injection (majority of newer bikes) and you can't always get away with removing sensors. Not trying to discourage, trying to bring in reality.
 

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Why so headstrong about the ability to shift? You could find a large buggy frame with full suspension and drop a snowmobile engine in it, crazy powerband and no shifting.

I do agree, and my first post was semi-sarcastic, you should start small and go from there if you don't have a lot of experience. A 212 predator is plenty to get hurt in a yard kart, I had my streaker up on its side in the dirt, and its dang fast for what it is, I play tag with neighborhood traffic and usually catch up very quickly if they are doing the posted 30mph speed limit. 30 mph may not seem fast till you are scooting your rear 2" off the ground like a chihuahua.

Maybe a banshee or similar quad, if you go that route. Wouldn't go 4x4 if you want to haul tail.
 

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Don't really have a reason for having a shifter other than it seems more fun. I could throw in my Briggs 5hp raptor 3 and just build that with performance parts if a motorcycle engine is a bad idea.
 

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NO.. total amount you figure to spend on this...
I reckon at least 1K to start....
You still are going to need to have a bunch of junk on hand and be one heck of a wheeler/dealer to get this done...
 

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The only good place to find a compact, standalone gearbox that will bolt down to a frame is from a big twin Harley. And those suckers are pricey.

A bike engine as a whole is not a great choice for a go kart. Air cooled bike engines rely heavily on being directly in the oncoming air stream. Mounting them behind a seat and out of the airflow is bad enough, then expecting it to stay cool in a high throttle/low speed scenario is just asking for failure. Plus there's the frame considerations, which is not typically a job for an amateur fabricator o worse yet, someone who doesn't have the resources to work with steel at all.

Something like a 140cc clone pit bike engine wouldn't be too bad if you geared it low enough. They're in the ~10hp range, and would have the shifty transmission you're looking for. Not a ton of torque, but that's what gearing is for.
 

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I can work with metal and idk what you guys are talking about 1k budget. parts bikes with engines go for less than 200 in my area. And if need be I can get a water cooled engine if it's necessary. Of course the bikes aren't the greatest and they're not high powered but they're cheap and they have gearboxes. And just to clarify the frame isn't included in the 200 dollar budget.
 

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I can work with metal and idk what you guys are talking about 1k budget. parts bikes with engines go for less than 200 in my area. And if need be I can get a water cooled engine if it's necessary. Of course the bikes aren't the greatest and they're not high powered but they're cheap and they have gearboxes. And just to clarify the frame isn't included in the 200 dollar budget.

Well you hadn't said you can actually build. That helps a lot.

Frame aside, even if you're only spending $200 on a parts bike, it will be pretty easy to put $1000 into it. Heck, I just spent almost $500 fixing up a gator that I got for free, already had an engine for, built most of the parts from scratch out of materials I already had, and I only bought one massively overpriced part ($18 for a spring) from John Deere. Little stuff adds up quick.

We're ust trying to give you fair warning before you jump into a project that you can't finish because of budget or ability is all. Happens a lot around here. :cheers2:
 

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Hmm I think I'll stray away from the motorcycles and more towards a smaller atv engine or maybe a snowmobile engine if I can't find anything. I saw a 300cc Honda trx300ex engine for 150 with no carburetor but I think I have one that will fit.
 

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Hmm I think I'll stray away from the motorcycles and more towards a smaller atv engine or maybe a snowmobile engine if I can't find anything. I saw a 300cc Honda trx300ex engine for 150 with no carburetor but I think I have one that will fit.

Polaris trail boss atvs are great for go cart drivetrains. they have a F-N-R (some even have low range) transmission, with chain output, easy to set up CVT clutch, and decent power to weight ratio. Most were 250, 300, or 330 air cooled two strokes.

I bought three complete trail bosses for 250 bucks a few years ago, was able to get all 3 running and sell two.
 
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