Cutting with a torch

[fowler]

Ha u will learn quickly that there any many things in a class that don't apply in the real world

No one purges the lines at hone or at work

 

[falcon52]

lol I believe you. I think it unneccesary as well

 

[Bluethunder3320]

someone at school was grinding and we had a leaking hose fitting, the sparks caught it on fire and it melted the hoses until someone noticed it. acetylene is some pretty dangerous stuff.

 

[fowler]

everything is dangerous if u are stupid
nothing is that dagerous if u think it though

who ever last used the torch should notice a leaking fitting
who ever was grinding should have done it way from acetylene thats rule nomber one anywhere, never put a fire nere a volatile substance

acetylene isnt that dagerous doesnt even give that greater bang
but when u mix it with oxygen the fun begins

 

[machinist@large]

everything is dangerous if u are stupid
nothing is that dagerous if u think it though

who ever last used the torch should notice a leaking fitting
who ever was grinding should have done it way from acetylene thats rule nomber one anywhere, never put a fire nere a volatile substance

acetylene isnt that dagerous doesnt even give that greater bang
but when u mix it with oxygen the fun begins

Must be you're working in an environment where you can count on things being done with a little care; I haven't seen a shop like that in 15~20 years. And the ones (workers/ coworkers) that scare me the most are the ones who claim they know it all; they're usually the first one's the paramedic's haul away (if they're not the cause of some innocent bystander being the one carried away).

Grinding over an Ox/Act rig? If you ask them to stop, you're a coward/ don't know a thing, your machine (that you are running) is over there (i.e. you aren't qualified to even tell [me- the O.P. in question] that my stinks). It gets extremely old after a while; I've just learned to bite my tongue and try to clear out from the immediate area 'till the danger has passed......

 

[Rustydog2010]

I've just learned to bite my tongue and try to clear out from the immediate area 'till the danger has passed......

I totally understand where you are coming from, especially being an apprentice. Hell, they say even the office lady knows more than me.

The funny thing is that here, (in NZ) under the Health and Safety Act of 1992(?). If someone was to injury themselves, they say you can be held accountable for any action or inaction on your behalf. So seeing something dangerous and just walking away can make you accountable.

 

[machinist@large]

I totally understand where you are coming from, especially being an apprentice. Hell, they say even the office lady knows more than me.

The funny thing is that here, (in NZ) under the Health and Safety Act of 1992(?). If someone was to injury themselves, they say you can be held accountable for any action or inaction on your behalf. So seeing something dangerous and just walking away can make you accountable.

I can kinda see both sides of that rule; it'd probably have some members of the forum reaching for their guns though.

Over here in the States, OSHA (Occupational Health & Safety Administration) has learned that some things you just have to go after the idiot in question. Case in point; eye protection. If the company has proof that they issued the appropriate safety glasses/ goggles/ face shields/ helmets/ hearing protection/ hardhats/etc. but the employee in question refuses to wear them, they have the option to fine the employee for violating the safety rules, rather than the company. The same rules apply to outside contractors working on site; if they are in violation of the customers safety guidelines and get caught, they get the fine, not the customer whose plant they were in.

I had to jump thru OSHA's hoops once: they were doing an annual walk around inspection at a large customers factory. When they came over to where I was working, the contractor/ visitor badge I was wearing gave me away. They asked to inspect the ear muffs I was wearing (I hate ear plugs) and my glasses (prescription safeties) so they could confirm that they had the correct ratings tags/ markings (which they did). Then the lady of the pair stomped on my foot to confirm that I was wearing steel toed boots.

When I got the project at hand completed, and reported to the maintenance office, I found out that I was the only contractor that was on site that day that passed; the other four got written up for something. It never hurts to know the rules.....

Now, it's time to get

 

[fowler]

ha u are lucky to only get that once

we get inspections twice weekly

we have two bits of paper work we must have at all times
they are firstly a JSA (job saftey analisis) which we do at the start of a big job or for a dagerous job

then for each smaller job in that JSA we must do a TAKE 5, which is basically a small note book full of 1 pape tick and flick sheets
it is designed to make u step back and look the job over
so is there any stored energy, do i have the right safty gear and so on
then of coarse we have our saftey glasses, gloves, steel capped boots that are lace up to above the ankle, hi viz clothing or long sleeve shirt and pants, and our ear plugs

then when we are doing a "paticularlly dangerous" job, like removing the wheels (the wheels are 10ft tall and weight 7 tonne) we must cone off the area and rope it off with danger tape so no fellow work mates happen to walk into the path of danger

exept a few times we have had a saftey officer come into our danger area and demand to see our take 5s and check our gear
then tell us what we are doing is unsafe
in one case we were presssing in cannon springs
of coarse he has already charged into a danger area and walked infront of a 120tonne press on full load and taken our attention away from our job which happens to be a giant spring

when we told him to kindly sod off before he is killed we are given a warning for abbusing a saftey officer
so we must do 1/2 an to an hour of saftey prep for 15 min job to protect our work mates, who are very aware what we are doing and the risks involed
but a 24yr old guy who has never been on a mine site before is allowed to talk around where ever he whats and tell people with more experiance than he has had life how to do there job

the problem comes from the fact u can become a saftey officer in 3 weeks and $475
so a uni student drop out realizes that without any experience they can do this course then go get a job earning 120k a year and never haveing to do any actual work

i dont know what its likke over in NZ but rusty mighty identify with this pic

 

[machinist@large]

ha u are lucky to only get that once

we get inspections twice weekly

we have two bits of paper work we must have at all times
they are firstly a JSA (job saftey analisis) which we do at the start of a big job or for a dagerous job

then for each smaller job in that JSA we must do a TAKE 5, which is basically a small note book full of 1 pape tick and flick sheets
it is designed to make u step back and look the job over
so is there any stored energy, do i have the right safty gear and so on
then of coarse we have our saftey glasses, gloves, steel capped boots that are lace up to above the ankle, hi viz clothing or long sleeve shirt and pants, and our ear plugs

then when we are doing a "paticularlly dangerous" job, like removing the wheels (the wheels are 10ft tall and weight 7 tonne) we must cone off the area and rope it off with danger tape so no fellow work mates happen to walk into the path of danger

exept a few times we have had a saftey officer come into our danger area and demand to see our take 5s and check our gear
then tell us what we are doing is unsafe
in one case we were presssing in cannon springs
of coarse he has already charged into a danger area and walked infront of a 120tonne press on full load and taken our attention away from our job which happens to be a giant spring

when we told him to kindly sod off before he is killed we are given a warning for abbusing a saftey officer
so we must do 1/2 an to an hour of saftey prep for 15 min job to protect our work mates, who are very aware what we are doing and the risks involed
but a 24yr old guy who has never been on a mine site before is allowed to talk around where ever he whats and tell people with more experiance than he has had life how to do there job

the problem comes from the fact u can become a saftey officer in 3 weeks and $475
so a uni student drop out realizes that without any experience they can do this course then go get a job earning 120k a year and never haveing to do any actual work

i dont know what its likke over in NZ but rusty mighty identify with this pic

OSHA doesn't have the manpower to be that invasive; they also have higher standards to even be considered for an interview (civil servants exam, agency specific exams, etc.) Come to think of it, I think the only branch of the Federal Govt. that doesn't test potential candidates for proper qualifications is the U.S. House of Representatives (might explain the mess we have in D.C. right now!)

Over here in the States, we have multiple layers of oversight when it comes to safety, OSHA at the Federal level, then each State has it's own agency (here in Michigan, we have MIOSHA).
Another layer that most people rarely hear about that has a great deal of clout on safety issues is the insurance industry and the trade/ labor unions. Also, many of the big companies (unfortunately not all) police themselves for the simple reason that it's a whole lot cheaper to do it the right way than to pay out a massive lawsuit claim when someone gets hurt or killed.

You have my sympathies about the individuals that barge in like you said, and I can chuckle at the poster, but we don't have it that bad over here yet (how did it get that bad over on your side of the pond?).

 

[souperman000]

Finally learned how to weld today. Welded mangled steel mesh back onto an old trailer ramp. It was pretty good.

Also, lovin' the safety regulations talk, keep it up!

 

[Rustydog2010]

Finally learned how to weld today. Welded mangle steel mesh back onto an old trailer ramp. It was pretty good.

Also, lovin' the safety regulations talk, keep it up!

Good job! With the MIG? Its pretty easy to pick up, with time. Just point and shoot. Once you get used to the weld pool and understand what its doing, get the ARC welder out.

Off-topic permission? Don't mind if I do.

ha u are lucky to only get that once

we get inspections twice weekly

we have two bits of paper work we must have at all times
they are firstly a JSA (job saftey analisis) which we do at the start of a big job or for a dagerous job

then for each smaller job in that JSA we must do a TAKE 5, which is basically a small note book full of 1 pape tick and flick sheets
it is designed to make u step back and look the job over
so is there any stored energy, do i have the right safty gear and so on
then of coarse we have our saftey glasses, gloves, steel capped boots that are lace up to above the ankle, hi viz clothing or long sleeve shirt and pants, and our ear plugs

then when we are doing a "paticularlly dangerous" job, like removing the wheels (the wheels are 10ft tall and weight 7 tonne) we must cone off the area and rope it off with danger tape so no fellow work mates happen to walk into the path of danger

exept a few times we have had a saftey officer come into our danger area and demand to see our take 5s and check our gear
then tell us what we are doing is unsafe
in one case we were presssing in cannon springs
of coarse he has already charged into a danger area and walked infront of a 120tonne press on full load and taken our attention away from our job which happens to be a giant spring

when we told him to kindly sod off before he is killed we are given a warning for abbusing a saftey officer
so we must do 1/2 an to an hour of saftey prep for 15 min job to protect our work mates, who are very aware what we are doing and the risks involed
but a 24yr old guy who has never been on a mine site before is allowed to talk around where ever he whats and tell people with more experiance than he has had life how to do there job

the problem comes from the fact u can become a saftey officer in 3 weeks and $475
so a uni student drop out realizes that without any experience they can do this course then go get a job earning 120k a year and never haveing to do any actual work

i dont know what its likke over in NZ but rusty mighty identify with this pic

That picture pretty much sums it up. Except our safety officer is an overweight, smoking Australian guy. At the mine you have the JSEA's and hot work permits, blah blah blah. Its pretty good at the w/shop, as we are not on the mine site. We have our own rules. They are pretty lax for a company our size. We are supposed to do the safety stuff, but, we never do.

They tell us to do 'take 5, to save 5' and JSEA's for every job, unless its urgent, then its, just get it done! Can't really tell the customer that we couldn't do the job, because our take 5 took to long. Haha. It really just makes a joke of the whole system.

I like that picture, with the safety officer. 'Here we have a 992 loader' While he's standing next to a D10 bulldozer.

 

[fowler]

your saftey guy sounds very much like ours

once we challenged him to show us exactly how to do the job safer
but to do that he had climb up onto a 789 where we were
exept he couldnt pull him self up with out an ally stair case

 

[souperman000]

Good job! With the MIG? Its pretty easy to pick up, with time. Just point and shoot. Once you get used to the weld pool and understand what its doing, get the ARC welder out.

Yup it was MIG.

 

[machinist@large]

Yup it was MIG.

When I made my first feeble foray into welding, MIG was only for mass production, and the price tag's were outrageous; DC stick power sources were better, but still out of reach for the amature/ hobbyist ( I spent $850.00 used for my Miller Dail Arc 250 AC/DC stick unit back in the day USED; we were the smallest farm in the neighborhood then,still are now, and the neighbors were flabbergasted that we had A] a AC/DC welder, and B] you got it for HOW MUCH!?!?).

That being said, MIG is SOOOO much easier to learn; if all you want to do for the short term is tinker a little bit; maybe build/ modify a few toys, then this is the easiest way to get your foot in the door. As long as you keep in mind that it's just the tip of the iceberg, you should do OK. Also, the prices just keep geting more and more competitive; My little Lincoln 135 , complete w/ gas kit was on sale for only a little over $400.00 US. It'll do almost anything you need to weld on a gokart and a whole lot more.

You don't have to go that expensive, but I still stand by the old adage that you don't get what you didn't pay for. That being said, we've got members on the forum who are trying to make a go at building karts for profit, using the most basic welders HF sells (as well as other tools; keep in mind, there may come a day where you just have to bite the bullet and upgrade to the next level of hardware. When you finally do, you'll be asking your self questions as to "why didn't I......")

What ever you do, don't stop learning!!!! Knowledge is yours forever once you have it; no one can take it away from you!!!!

 

[souperman000]

For me, I'm (hopefully) gonna get a $90 HF set-up. Those are good for learning and for what I would be doing; nothing super fancy. I have always wanted to learn to weld, and I picked it up in just a few minutes.

Trust me, I am always up to learn something new!

 

[machinist@large]

For me, I'm (hopefully) gonna get a $90 HF set-up. Those are good for learning and for what I would be doing; nothing super fancy. I have always wanted to learn to weld, and I picked it up in just a few minutes.

Trust me, I am always up to learn something new!

You will be amazed at what a little knowledge will let you do!!!! (Why do you think China's government wants to keep their people downtrodden?)