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http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/04/15/air-powered-motoscooter/

The TV presenter Jem Stansfield modified this small moped to function on compressed air stored in two high pressure carbon fiber tanks, like the ones that the firefighters use. The engine has been replaced by two rotary air engines. The two tanks can be fully charged in a matter of seconds from any air compressor. This compressed air bike can go about 8 miles, reach a speed of 18mph (about 30km/h).

The inventor says he could never travel big distances with it, but it surely is clean. Now if the compressor had a clean power source, that would be to the benefit of the environment, since I can imagine compressing the air is much more efficient and cleaner than burning the fuel locally in the motorbike’s engine
 

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I remember seeing that scoot, pretty slick :)

Not to hijack your thread, but if compressed air vehicles interest you check out MDI's website -->Motor Developement International. They've been working on compressed air powered "city vehicles" for years, with mixed success and mixed results.

The biggest hurdle to overcome with compressed air as a power source is the fact that when a pressurized gas expands it absorbs energy (Charles' Law). Early MDI engines ran great for about 5 minutes, but would quickly ice up and even seize themselves to a stop. I just browsed through the "engines" section of their website and see they've gone to a "dual fuel" process, using external combustion to heat the expanding air. I guess it works pretty good, judging by the video of their AirPOD zipping around :p

The inventor says he could never travel big distances with it, but it surely is clean. Now if the compressor had a clean power source, that would be to the benefit of the environment, since I can imagine compressing the air is much more efficient and cleaner than burning the fuel locally in the motorbike’s engine

If the electricity used to compress the air in his tanks came from a clean power source like a hydroelectric dam or a wind turbine, then yes it's clean. Is it efficient? According to Wikipedia (which never lies!), the losses inherent in compressing the air (as heat) make the total efficiency of such a system around 14%, even if the engine is 100% efficient. Doesn't sound all that great :( I still think air engines are super cool though. Does anyone remember those ads in the back of popular science magazines for converting your car to run on compressed air? The kit came with 8 spark plug adapters, hose barbs and bits of hose, etc etc. I wonder if they're still around?
 

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What a sexy beast, suzuki FR/FA scooter modified?

Id ride that to the ball with the girl on the back!

Do you think she would like ridding on those sprockets?? :biggrin5:

I wonder if you could rig up a mini compressor to get more miles out of it?
 

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Is it efficient? According to Wikipedia (which never lies!), the losses inherent in compressing the air (as heat) make the total efficiency of such a system around 14%, even if the engine is 100% efficient. Doesn't sound all that great :(

Not much worse than your average gasoline engine, which only operates at less than 18% efficiency.
 

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Not much worse than your average gasoline engine, which only operates at less than 18% efficiency.

Agreed, but your average gasoline powered appliance doesn't store its fuel at 4500psi, and can go farther on less fuel. I'm just playing devil's advocate, I think air motors are super cool and wish there were more of them around, but you can't get around the fact that compressing air to 4500 psi takes a lot of energy, which we (humans) are consuming at an alarming rate. I'm all about finding solutions though :wai:

At work, we have an appliance called a FuelMaker, which is a small natural gas compressor that was designed to sit in your garage and pump up your natural gas vehicle to 3600psi overnight. We use it to pump nitrogen, but that's beside the point :p Anyways, the units are moderately expensive (I found several on eBay for around $3000, including one of their newer compact Phill units), but once you get past the initial purchase price you have yourself a high pressure compressor that you can power with whatever energy source you wish! Steam, solar, wind energy, a biodiesel powered genset, etc etc. I won't be trying it myself since I don't have several thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket, but I think it's do-able. Any takers?
 

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I know that a young 14yr old lad as just been done for shooting at bikers around here as it was in local news papers.The young lad lives near a main road and in the newspapers it said the young lad said he was sick of getting woke up before dinner time on a sunday.haha.
Thats what made me say that in above post,i was only joking redsox,CHEER UP
 

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Watch no one shots them tanks
If they're anything like the carbon fiber hydrogen tanks we test where I work, they're designed to vent controllably instead of splitting or rupturing when punctured, whether by gunfire or in a collision. The carbon is wrapped in a pattern which supports the rest of the tank even if one section is compromised. One of the high pressure (700bar) H2 tanks we did a gunfire test on last year had 4 inches carbon wrapped over top of the aluminum liner!
 

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He sounded perfectly calm to me, just stating some useful information. Don't crap up a perfectly good thread.
 

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GX, didn't you say you were expelled for shooting at people outside your school?
 
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