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Cybertruck does not age well

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Has a lot more character and style than when it was new. 😁 With that corrugated construction, think of all the pleasant parallels: barn and house roofs, Ford Trimotor, Junkers Ju52, Citroën H van….

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I got to fly in a Ford trimotor. That was pretty cool.
That is amazing. Never flew in one, but got to get inside one at an antique air show about 20 years ago. If I remember correctly, it seemed like the seats were more like kitchen chairs bolted to the floor. Was the one you were in like that ? Also got to see the propeller powered flying wing from the early 40's ( by Northrop Corp.) fly over the show and the pilot really put it through it's paces. Antique planes are something else.
 

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That is amazing. Never flew in one, but got to get inside one at an antique air show about 20 years ago. If I remember correctly, it seemed like the seats were more like kitchen chairs bolted to the floor. Was the one you were in like that ? Also got to see the propeller powered flying wing from the early 40's ( by Northrop Corp.) fly over the show and the pilot really put it through it's paces. Antique planes are something else.


 

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Radial engines are the best, and a close second is rotary, like Sopwith Camel rotary.

Hey, do the youths like the Cybertruck? I was wondering if there was an age gap wherein it is considered cool, bad___, futuristic… and it appeals to them, like a lot. I think they are quite ugly but I hear they just go-o-o as those motors spool up
 

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You say rotary and I think of a wankel.
The sopwith still used a radial design. Just backwards. The crank shaft was stationary with the fuselage, while the bock and cylinder were rotating with the propeller.
Made for a hard to lube engine that just leaked.
Also made flying hard because of the added p factor. Basically a large gyroscope up front.

Checkout the storch for a wierd engine. It has an inverted V. This kept the crank and prop up higher for ground clearance.
Musselini was rescued from a strong hold with one of those.
 

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Made for a hard to lube engine that just leaked.

Total loss engine lubrication, no big deal. That gyroscope effect made the nose lurch sharply up in right turns, and lurch down in left turns (or was it vice versa?) A handling quirk that was exploited in dogfighting...or so they said back then in the 20th century. Not sure what is correct in 2026.

Messerschmitt Bf109 also used an inverted V (V-12). Probably the most produced fighter aircraft ever.

I never think of that Wankel as anything but a leaky, oil burning abomination. True rotary (piston) engines are Oberursel and Rhône 9C to name a few. 😊
 

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The WW2 air museum has a bf109. John, the owner, wanted all of the birds to be airworthy. He got the 109 and ground looped it landing at the AP. Spent months repairing it. Next flight, landing results another ground loop. Repaired again. Im not sure if it was 2 or 3 times but that plane got grounded. The narrow main gear made it extremely hard to land. The Germans didnt expect them to come home....

The only other plane that was grounded was a hawker sea fury. That engine rotated the opposite of most any other. Again the counter rotation P factor made it difficult to fly. Especially take off and landing.

Interesting fact, some versions of the Bf109 had a machine gun mounted through the middle of the crankshaft and out the prop spinner.
 

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The WW2 air museum has a bf109. John, the owner, wanted all of the birds to be airworthy. He got the 109 and ground looped it landing at the AP. Spent months repairing it. Next flight, landing results another ground loop. Repaired again. Im not sure if it was 2 or 3 times but that plane got grounded. The narrow main gear made it extremely hard to land. The Germans didnt expect them to come home....

The only other plane that was grounded was a hawker sea fury. That engine rotated the opposite of most any other. Again the counter rotation P factor made it difficult to fly. Especially take off and landing.

Interesting fact, some versions of the Bf109 had a machine gun mounted through the middle of the crankshaft and out the prop spinner.
What does ground looped mean? I take it, it isn't a good thing.
 

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And boy, have we ever highjacked Master Hacks thread or what. That Tesla shaped thing made out of corrugated roofing was pretty darn hilarious.
 

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He got the 109 and ground looped it landing at the AP. Spent months repairing it. Next flight, landing results another ground loop. Repaired again

Something tells me he shouldn’t be flying especially with a priceless plane like that. Lots people think like that, “keep them flying it's what’s best” and the number of flyable vintage aircraft dwindles each year. I’m reminded of that airshow not too long ago where a B17 was taken out by a King Cobra, no survivors. Maybe he’s not smart enough to fly a 109? :worried2:

The 109’s not the only fighter of the era with narrow track undergear, the Supermarine Spitfire comes to mind. I guess they weren’t expected to come back either. They ought to have launched fighters, sans landing gear, from catapults. Think of the weight savings! :cheers2: Let the pilots have their parachutes, plane expendable, pilot not. Then you can relax in a POW camp for the remainder of the war….


Edited to add: “Interesting fact, some nearly all versions of the Bf109 Bell P-39 Airacobra and P-63 King Cobra had a machine gun mounted through the middle of the crankshaft and out the prop spinner.”
 
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