Hot 265 Cam

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So I recently added the hot 265 cam to a predator 212 that had nothing more than a stage 1 kit and stiffer valve springs. It pulls good up to probably 3500 rpm then starts bogging. Runs great up to that point. I’ve tried bigger main jets and nothing helps. Plenty of clearance with the valve springs. Anyone had this issue?
 

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It’s just going to a straight header pipe, better flowing air filter along with slightly larger main jet to provide a little more fuel since the other things provide a little better air flow. I didn’t mention that I did do a governor delete. I know the risk of doing that without the billet rod and flywheel. Went to the 265 cam for more pull to 5-5500 rpm but ever since I put that cam in, I can’t get past probably 3-3500 rpm without it hitting a wall kinda like a rev limiter. As I mentioned in post I did upgrade to a little stronger valve spring.
 

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I'm assuming since you changed cams, that you removed the governor the correct way ( drove the shaft out of the side of the engine, and removed the arm coming down from the top.) I have had bogging from putting in too big of a jet. Did it run good with the stage one and the stock cam? Or did you do everything at once? An engine bogging, and an engine acting like it is on a rev limiter are two different scenarios. You could try a LITTLE smaller jet ( but still bigger than stock) but you might be starving for fuel. Is the tank vent clear, and are you running it with a full tank of gas. The stock predator tank is barely elevated enough above the carb that it doesn't take much to impede flow.
 

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I'm assuming since you changed cams, that you removed the governor the correct way ( drove the shaft out of the side of the engine, and removed the arm coming down from the top.) I have had bogging from putting in too big of a jet. Did it run good with the stage one and the stock cam? Or did you do everything at once? An engine bogging, and an engine acting like it is on a rev limiter are two different scenarios. You could try a LITTLE smaller jet ( but still bigger than stock) but you might be starving for fuel. Is the tank vent clear, and are you running it with a full tank of gas. The stock predator tank is barely elevated enough above the carb that it doesn't take much to impede flow.
All of this came about after cam install. Cam came awhile after the other mods did and it ran great with factory cam. I’m gonna order a tillotson TCT carb since they are adjustable and go from there.
 

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Check to make sure the engine doesn't have a rev limiting coil

std spring will still pull upto 5000rpm on a std cam, high lift cam requires stronger springs. If you've done that, look at fuelling, let the fuel flow from the tank without cap on, then with cap on, should still flow. Carbs are restrictive, a decent 22mm will reap rewards. Be careful not to rev past 6000rpm, flywheel magnet could become detached. A 6 degrees offset key will help with timing and power
 

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Check to make sure the engine doesn't have a rev limiting coil

std spring will still pull upto 5000rpm on a std cam, high lift cam requires stronger springs. If you've done that, look at fuelling, let the fuel flow from the tank without cap on, then with cap on, should still flow. Carbs are restrictive, a decent 22mm will reap rewards. Be careful not to rev past 6000rpm, flywheel magnet could become detached. A 6 degrees offset key will help with timing and power

I’m certain now it’s being choked/starved at higher rpm. Don’t want to go to the 22mm style carb because of how far they hang out the side!
 

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How big is the TCT carb? I thought I recently heard is was 12.5mm. I think a stock carb is 15mm. I’m not sure this is the route I would go, but not sure what I’d do to fix it.
Yup, you’re correct so the TCT is a no go. I guess I’ve either got to just go the VM22 route or set engine back up stock. I will update with what I figure out but in the mean time thank y’all! I’ve also been seeing a lot more oem flywheels coming apart lately so we’re not gonna be playing very hard until the billet flywheel/rods are put in the bikes.
 

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Yup, you’re correct so the TCT is a no go. I guess I’ve either got to just go the VM22 route or set engine back up stock. I will update with what I figure out but in the mean time thank y’all! I’ve also been seeing a lot more oem flywheels coming apart lately so we’re not gonna be playing very hard until the billet flywheel/rods are put in the bikes.
They make some short adapters that can allow a gx390 carb on a clone engine. I think the gx390 carbs are closer to 22mm but could be wrong. A 390 carb on a clone isn’t great for stop and go. Hard to tune the “just off idle” (1/8 - 1/4 throttle) portion of the throttle range. I used a 390 carb once, now I only use slide style carbs. Ignore the methanol wording, photo just to show the carb and adapter.

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Update:
So not sure what happened but it quit bogging out at higher rpm. Since then I pulled the head and ported the intake and exhaust pretty good in my opinion. I polished the exhaust side after porting and lapped the valves in. Holy crap what a difference that made. Midrange all the way till I let off is awesome torque. Still have more but since I don’t have billet rod or flywheel I keep it down. It woke that little motor up!! Thanks for y’all’s help.
 

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I find the drill flings the lapping compound. And yeah gotta be careful.
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Drill works great for me. I’ve lapped many sbc heads the same way. Just put compound on the seat then a little on the valve edges and hold pressure on the valve. Wipe away and clean with brake cleaner. For me it wasn’t the carbide bit I had to keep from the valve seat but the part you tighten after the bit is installed! It’s easy to let that sucker hit.
 

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Keep your bit oiled up, stops it clogging up with ali fillings, JB weld epoxy or aluminium solder/weld to address break through inlet side. I tig or Ali solder/weld if I break through the exhaust. Tried a few oils, ATF works quite well for me.
You can get a cheap £12 flexible extension for a dremel, works perfectly for a GX head, more control.

 
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