Konykart - building kit of go-kart

[Konykart]

I've never seen so may holes..............



BAHAHAHAHA!!!! You made a funny!!!!!! BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Yes, soo many holes but the price is less then go-karts without holes I think It should be funny :-D

 

[Konykart]

Why are there 4 different pedals ? I don't understand why theirs 4 pedals.. Shouldn't there be one for gas and one for brake? What's up with the 2 extra pedals?

I think here is good picture about pedals:

Here is description about pedals:
https://www.konykart.com/v3

 

[Konykart]

Cause it's for an octopus??

That because the secondary pedal is a back-up pedal.... It works like this, you mount all four pedals by two on each side of the cart back to back, then you set your quad linkages in line and you pressure sensitive limiters and when you push on the primary pedal, it activates the secondary pedal making it look.............. Oh gee never mind.........

NO! Look at the spelling... KORNYKART.....Get it right please....

Not for octopus :-D in text - I see you understand how does it work..
I developed prototype V2 and there was problem with gearing - see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmFGgK_eaKY

 

[Konykart]

Cause it's for an octopus??

That because the secondary pedal is a back-up pedal.... It works like this, you mount all four pedals by two on each side of the cart back to back, then you set your quad linkages in line and you pressure sensitive limiters and when you push on the primary pedal, it activates the secondary pedal making it look.............. Oh gee never mind.........

NO! Look at the spelling... KORNYKART.....Get it right please....

Nooo, KONY - is from my surname...

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How dose this stay together with everything being bolted together? I see lots of bolts rattling off idk... Just curious idk i like things like this to be welded up therefore it safer to drive...

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Dose it come in neon orange? Or just fire truck red?

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You just jealous that you couldn't build something like that..

Welding is not user friendly and not good for shipping.
I want to use special nordlock washer for save. It is game of the future.
Color? color is not problem. I can use all colors. I made black and blue karts. now I am building red
https://www.konykart.com/home

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Well, this is a pretty common Technic in those countries.... Once it is assemble by 1000 bolts, washers, and nuts, you set it out in the rain for exactly 120 hours and everything welds it's self together....... And remember, WE appreciate the THANKS we get for participating..... Do you appreciate yours? If not..................

I'll never forget my first Go kart build and quad runner build.. May be from the same company here.. hmmmmm

it is MERKUR - it is from steel and bolts but it is totaly different. I am working on big kit for driving - it is not LEGO or MERKUR. My assembly kit has 100kg. I am using engine etc. I have each part original - not universal parts as LEGO. I believe 3D printers are game of the future. I want to sell in the future 3D models STP and do development all the time.

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Do you take Canadian tire dollars Konykart?

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Here ya go there's a thanks

Does not metter now. I know only united state dollars. 30k CZK is my price now. but it is in development and will be new generation and upgrades. I think currency is not problem for me. I am free to discusse about it now.

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I have a really nice collection of Canadian coins!!! I like how they have the gold coin insert surrounded by a silver rim etc.!!!!!!

What?


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If you open the website and look back to the V1 it has 5 pedals on it!

I'm guessing throttle, clutch, front brake, rear brake, and kick starter.

The go kart built for organists.

Anyone who's run a tractor is accustomed to a plethora of pedals... Foot throttle, clutch, left brake, right brake, diff lock, and a few other oddballs on some models. Plus a horn on some.

Nevertheless... Too complicated for a kart

It is not complicated.
You will use hands only for steeringwheel and starting by key + lights.

You will use right leg only for gas and brake as in car!
Left leg will be only for gearing up and down.

you can read all description here:
https://www.konykart.com/v3

 

[KingCobra]

Glad to see you made it through initiation

 

[Konykart]

Alright! That does it, I just may have to dig out my other box....... OH BOY!! I think I have enough to buy that red wagon in India or the Erector Set!!!!!! But no Dong!!

Why you post this irelevant picture? Not funny :-(

 

[KingCobra]

Why you post this irelevant picture? Not funny :-(

It's money, don't be sad......Oh you mean my airplanes?.........

 

[Konykart]

Why's it called Konykart sounds punny in English?

Because My surname is KON...Y

 

[KingCobra]

Because My surname is KON...Y

Like Kony Island!! right?

 

[Konykart]

Hey Kony, can you tell how bored we got waiting to hear back from you?? We were scraping our money together..... Glad you turned out to be the real thang, cause most take a dump and run......... Are your bolts and nuts stainless, painted, Zinc plated, or? and how many styles of karts do you have so far? How much shipping to send one to my ex-wife in Michigan? I know she would like that seat........ What size are the bolt heads and nuts? Anyway, good to see you back!!


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-y2K213YEiBAKgJWqoC-jQ

If you will want to buy it - I will delivery complete kit set with all tools - see this tools:
https://www.facebook.com/konykart.c...9602993247791/686515001556590/?type=3&theater

Price is for everything

 

[KingCobra]

OOOOOOOooooooooo, I need a nice CLICKER torque wrench! How'd ya know????? WHAT!! Made in GERMANY??????????? and two box end wenches,the 10mm and 12mm are the same .....

 

[Konykart]

Actually 'itsid' could have removed it all because the rules state that you must have several posts prior to posting YOUR OWN product for sale but just to let you know how patient 'itsid' was, here is the rule<>

6. ANYONE who's first post is a FOR SALE ad, or who posts a for sale ad within 24hrs of registering WILL BE REMOVED! This website IS NOT craigslist, you can peddle your goods for free there. ***For Clarification- The intention of this rule is NOT so you make one useless post somewhere and then are free to flog your junk. This For Sale section is intended to be used for and by contributing DIYGK members in good standing. If you wish to be a contributing member, then join up and post, by all means. If you're just here to buy/sell/trade, try CL***

And actually, you are trying to sell your product or you wouldn't be here. This in not the classifieds. You should have posted for sale in the 'FOR SALE' section ( after acquiring a few posts first though) and then brought this kart up for discussion here. Glad to see you take criticism ok. Just ask what other's would like to see done to make this more appealing to them. BUT, he did not delete your post or ban you, instead gave some criticism on a product and waited to see if you were coming back( most don't). IF I tell a home builder I want a brick house instead of a wood framed house and he builds a wood framed house, I won't buy his house. The public will dictate what YOU or I sell, that is a golden rule whether we like it or not. Are you out to satisfy the public (your future customer) or to satisfy yourself. The latter would just be greed. Even it it was the President of a country, he has to follow the laws also. No offense Mr. Engineer, but you must understand that without these rules, spammers would run rampant. When spammers run rampant, everyone runs to another website. Glad you aren't a spammer and welcome to our world of off road fun!!

I am not spamer! I like hobby DIY and go-karts. I am making own go-karts for people. I want to help everybody not make money to me only!
This is my first pleace for discussion about my product. I do not have experiance with using of your forum. If I am doing mistakes, please contact me directly. Here is a lot of postes on me...
Sorry for my first mistakes :-( I did not want.

 

[KingCobra]

WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT A SPAMMER NOW. Glad to have you aboard sir! Enjoy

 

[Konykart]

OOOOOOOooooooooo, I need a nice CLICKER torque wrench! How'd ya know????? WHAT!! Made in GERMANY??????????? and two box end wenches,the 10mm and 12mm are the same .....

torque wrench is needed for too much bolts for save. You can buy it anywhere I think. Min. torque is 10 Nm - it is min. for bolt M6

Yes in my aplication you need two same wenches..

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Like Kony Island!! right?

Coney Island pronunciation is almost same as this.
In english is better maybe ConeyCart , but konykart mean:
tomas KONecnY KARTing = KONYKART
But i do not want to introduce my ,,start-up,, i can not = it is rule from this forum :-(
So please discuss about prototype products. It will be better for everybody for sure.

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It's money, don't be sad......Oh you mean my airplanes?.........

I do not understand pictures of money and planes..
maybe you joke me

 

[itsid]

Glad you made it through the harsh intro Konykart!

The problem I am having with your product is that there are far too many bolts.
I see your "non welding" theme, but it's a bad idea; simple as that.

too many bolts to check and bolts need to be checked regularly
(lock washer or not isn't important, after several hours you must recheck the tightness of all load carrying bolts to stay safe)
And with that many of them, you loose track very easily, especially if you're a young and untrained mechanic.
which -as you said- is your target client.

An engineer would know that, thus I still claim you're not I'm afraid.

But let's juts stick with the kart.
You can easily remove 30%-50% of all bolts and instead use proper welds without even affecting the box size for shipping.

talking about it.. with 100kilo,
box size will NOT be your problem for shipping at all,
it's freight goods and weight is just as or even more important than size!

You said you designed that for just yourself, THAT is perfectly okay.
(it's still a bad design, but if you want it to be like that you are free to do so...)
if you are about to sell it though, you must make sure that it is SAFE for the buyer to use;
and frankly it is far from!
kart brake pedal is always left of the steering column.. on every single kart with a brake pedal!
Always.. on a three pedal kart there's also a clutch pedal (just like in a car) but it'll still be on the left side of the steering column.
You however arranged them differently to have shift pedals where the brake should be
(and is expected to be by most drivers that carry a drivers license)
Again, very bad design!

The nuts and bolts (at least half of them) need to be of high quality (grade 8 or better)
and that means they cost real money (let's stay cheap and say a dollar per set of bolt, two washers and nut)
there are easily 200 of such sets so 200 dollars.
More than enough to justify the price of a simple welder and weld that chassis instead.

As I stated earlier you can without affecting package size remove at the very least 30% of all bolts by just welding a few smaller parts together.

that would not only make it easier for the client to assemble and maintain this contraption,
it'd also save you time and money
(less holes to drill, less money for bolts to spend..)
And yes I must say an engineer would have known that, would have seen that and designed for that, especially since every bolt hole weakens the material around it..
you made swiss cheese from your square tubes mostly.

And to clear things up..
Your first post read like an advertisement more than anything.
And that is the reason I changed your first post and added the pictures here instead of the link to your homepage.

The link is fine for all I can tell, but not as the only content of a first post.
So I fixed that.

'sid

 

[Konykart]

Glad you made it through the harsh intro Konykart!

The problem I am having with your product is that there are far too many bolts.
I see your "non welding" theme, but it's a bad idea; simple as that.

too many bolts to check and bolts need to be checked regularly
(lock washer or not isn't important, after several hours you must recheck the tightness of all load carrying bolts to stay safe)
And with that many of them, you loose track very easily, especially if you're a young and untrained mechanic.
which -as you said- is your target client.

An engineer would know that, thus I still claim you're not I'm afraid.

But let's juts stick with the kart.
You can easily remove 30%-50% of all bolts and instead use proper welds without even affecting the box size for shipping.

talking about it.. with 100kilo,
box size will NOT be your problem for shipping at all,
it's freight goods and weight is just as or even more important than size!

You said you designed that for just yourself, THAT is perfectly okay.
(it's still a bad design, but if you want it to be like that you are free to do so...)
if you are about to sell it though, you must make sure that it is SAFE for the buyer to use;
and frankly it is far from!
kart brake pedal is always left of the steering column.. on every single kart with a brake pedal!
Always.. on a three pedal kart there's also a clutch pedal (just like in a car) but it'll still be on the left side of the steering column.
You however arranged them differently to have shift pedals where the brake should be
(and is expected to be by most drivers that carry a drivers license)
Again, very bad design!

The nuts and bolts (at least half of them) need to be of high quality (grade 8 or better)
and that means they cost real money (let's stay cheap and say a dollar per set of bolt, two washers and nut)
there are easily 200 of such sets so 200 dollars.
More than enough to justify the price of a simple welder and weld that chassis instead.

As I stated earlier you can without affecting package size remove at the very least 30% of all bolts by just welding a few smaller parts together.

that would not only make it easier for the client to assemble and maintain this contraption,
it'd also save you time and money
(less holes to drill, less money for bolts to spend..)
And yes I must say an engineer would have known that, would have seen that and designed for that, especially since every bolt hole weakens the material around it..
you made swiss cheese from your square tubes mostly.

And to clear things up..
Your first post read like an advertisement more than anything.
And that is the reason I changed your first post and added the pictures here instead of the link to your homepage.

The link is fine for all I can tell, but not as the only content of a first post.
So I fixed that.

'sid

Thank you for your opinion. I understand what you write. I agree with you from technical design. If you checked my prototypes V1 and V2 on my websites, there you can see fully welded frames. But it is complicated for welding. I do not want to use welding jig. It will be the best way but not easy for me now. And not cheaper. In product V3 i want to try use bolts and simple parts. I am in situation that do tubes with holes are better for manufacturing. I do not drill holes. I am using laser cut.

Final product will be save without too much bolts. But now I am testing it. Maybe I will use 30% less fasteners parts. I do not know now.

Dou you understand my idea? Konykart V2 is not with something original. It is worst then quard kid cars. I want to develop new idea. It is not totaly final product - konykart v3. I will do some revision. But concept will be release. About safety i will keep a lot of time for checking and testing. I belive next year I will have some results from test. On my facebook site id: konykart.cz are actual pictures of real parts which are making now

Do not afraid. Before i will release. I will do special save report and test. comfort and save is the most important for me.

 

[mckutzy]

Myself coming from a manufacturing background of plastics, sheetmetal and steel fabricating....
Offhand, I see all these holes to be drilled and wonder how expensive that must have been... Really... That's alot of work... Time setup up for a jig/fixture and then cycle time per part. Must having left and right hand jigs... Even if they used a punch still same almost applies, and those dies aren't cheap by any respects...
Talking at least 6, probably more like 10. If drilling, fixtures are at least 6 aswell... Cheaper(could be made out of wood)but the trial time is alot still...


'Sid is right, most or a good majority of this could be welded, then assembled while still being a flat pack... Even cheap furniture from say ikea(could be considered the king of flat pack shipping) has parts of tables and the like with small welded parts, which would almost undesirable as furniture without the welded element...

Edit:I see something was written as I typed....
Laser's are expensive... Either to buy yourself or farm out, eliminating holes, welded components will make this product sell better...

 

[Konykart]

Myself coming from a manufacturing background of plastics, sheetmetal and steel fabricating....
Offhand, I see all these holes to be drilled and wonder how expensive that must have been... Really... That's alot of work... Time setup up for a jig/fixture and then cycle time per part. Must having left and right hand jigs... Even if they used a punch still same almost applies, and those dies aren't cheap by any respects...
Talking at least 6, probably more like 10. If drilling, fixtures are at least 6 aswell... Cheaper(could be made out of wood)but the trial time is alot still...


'Sid is right, most or a good majority of this could be welded, then assembled while still being a flat pack... Even cheap furniture from say ikea(could be considered the king of flat pack shipping) has parts of tables and the like with small welded parts, which would almost undesirable as furniture without the welded element...

Edit:I see something was written as I typed....
Laser's are expensive... Either to buy yourself or farm out, eliminating holes, welded components will make this product sell better...

Everybody prefer welding. Ok i am thinking about partly welded. See Konykart - V2 there is and it is very good for stable. Big welded frame is not as nice for people from small house. But this solution you can get under bed for example in kid room in flat not in house.
In usa is too much place but not in europe. Here do not have everybody garage..

You write something about sell better.. - low price or better welded design? What do you mean? 1000 dollars are much for you?

 

[KingCobra]

If I may keep this simple...... IF you build something in the style of this kart........"THEY WILL COME"....... Sorry but tradition usually wins out and THIS style cart is strong and could cost you a 1/4 of what you have there. Yes, coming up with original stuff is often fun,but, often wadded up and tossed into the trash can below the engineering/drafting desk, in favor of simplicity and tradition!!! Let's hit the trails boys!!!! Oh wait, I need to remove a stupid OIL SENSOR today.....

BTW, I did like that LIFAN motorcycle/scooter motor on your prototype, sounded cool!! IDEAS are a good thing and people should listen closely. Without an engine and tires, my Kart probably weighs 50 lbs.! NOW? Maybe 150 lbs. WE must keep them light so they can do their thing and be fun!! I repaired a friend's go kart and it was heavy as a tank, it's was more like a big heavy turtle and now sits deep in the junk yard.

Even if you just build a sweet go-kart frame minus the wheels and engine, it could sell like hots cakes if the style dictates it's self as awesomeness............ BTW, I'm off to look for a new go kart frame to customize again..... Isn't boredom great!!!!!! NO OFFENSE, but ERECTOR SETS died out in the mid 70's. BUT, then again I don't think you are building or engineering for folks in America. I"M GLAD those are ONLY bolted together prototypes and if I could afford only one I would, just to keep in a display case!!! BTW, this kart? 17 bolts!!

BOLTS>>

(2) holding front spindles
(3) holding steering wheel
(4)rear axle bearing holders both sides
(4) holding the seat
(4) holding engine and jackshaft plate

You're Welcome, Scott

 

[Konykart]

Yes sure. It is better.
My preliminary prototype Vision Konykart V4 is here.
But here I am thinking about electric motor 5 kw. New generation. But the price will be too big. About 3000 dollars. It is not good for me. I want easy kart kit. Max 1000 dollars.
But I do not have plan to make this vision V4. Better is Renault mini electric car.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=733742773500479&id=669602993247791