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Old 06-25-2019, 08:30 PM
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Default My next engine project...Briggs OHV

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This one came to me on a Kart I picked up some time back. I promptly removed it and replaced it with a predator 212.

I am guessing this is a Briggs and Stratton OHV but I have no idea what the displacement is or anything else about the engine. It is completely trashed. No real ID stickers left anywhere on it. So I am gonna tear it apart and clean it up and see what I can do with it. It will run somewhat. But like crap and only choked so the carb will get a good sonic bath.

If anyone knows what it is before I figure it out let me know but if I get a chance I will start tearing into it soon!

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Old 06-25-2019, 09:34 PM
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I believe that is an early model briggs 850 series, the older ones came with that carb while the new ones have the bowl which looks like a Honda carb.
Now if I’m correct it’s a 208cc clone engine, I have the new style one with the updated carb on my kart.

The series number for me was on the underside below the valve cover. Weird spot, it was tricky to find for me also
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:49 PM
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Yeah, what he said ^^

I have a similar, but not identical OHV Briggs that I got with a purchase, non-running.
I also have a big knowledge gap on these later horizontal shaft OHV B&S engines--the kind you might use on a go kart. They're strange birds.

Model number might be stamped into the valve cover. Mine is, right beside the hose on the valve cover in Pic 1.

Mine is 126312-0023-B1-070323-FD

Fairly certain it's a 205cc 800 Series.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:51 PM
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Sorry if I was confusing there bud, mine wasn’t on the valve cover, but below the cover in the block
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Hey Wes, your gas tank looks like steel. Am I right?

Mine is plastic. Viva la plástico!
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Old 06-26-2019, 05:18 AM
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The blocks are completely different, and on the intek briggs hellion has the valves are higher, therefore the valve cover is taller. And yes the tank is steel.
Look up:
Briggs 950 series
Briggs 550 series
Or Briggs cr/Xr series.

Hellions engine is the same block as an animal
Your block sir is the same as a Honda.
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It is most definitely not a 800 or 900 sreries engine. I mean look at the blocks as well as exhaust port location. And carb stud angle, all completely different.
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Yea, mine looks like a Chinese clone, that's what my original thought was anyway. But it does have a Briggs logo on the carb and valve cover.

Yes, there is some rust inside the tank, I would say it is cheap sheet metal of some sort, not plastic but definitely not steel!

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Hey 950speed, were you describing my engine or Wes’s (or both) in that long post?

I wasn’t sure if you were telling me to look up 950 and 550 series, etc or him, and also who were you talking to when you said the engine is not a 800 or 900 series? I admit it, I’m not sure what I have.

I don’t mean to hijack or derail either, this is just good for the info.

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Yes, there is some rust inside the tank, I would say it is cheap sheet metal of some sort, not plastic but definitely not steel!
What else rusts besides steel? Lol
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Old 06-27-2019, 07:55 AM
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Hey 950speed, were you describing my engine or Wes’s (or both) in that long post?

I wasn’t sure if you were telling me to look up 950 and 550 series, etc or him, and also who were you talking to when you said the engine is not a 800 or 900 series? I admit it, I’m not sure what I have.

I don’t mean to hijack or derail either, this is just good for the info.



What else rusts besides steel? Lol
Yea it is kinda confusing now that I’m reading it back.

I was saying for either of y’all to look up the 950 and 550 briggs engines, they are very similar except the 550 is a clone of a GX160 I think, whereas the 950 is more of a clone of a GX200


And again about he 800 and 900 engines I was talking to both of y’all. I apologize again. The 800 and 900 series are both Briggs own design and use the same block as the animal, where animal engine performance parts will work with them.


800/900 series- animal performance parts

550/950 series - Honda performance parts

Hope this clears stuff up, and I was saying that Wes’s engine is definitely not a 800/900 series engine
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:57 AM
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Yes it is a rebranded clone motor that’s why the logo is on the valve cover. I can get pictures of mine if you would like, it has everything the same as yours, just the updated carb
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So Briggs has engines built and rebranded for them now? In other words they farm out products then? I don't know who builds what any more

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For the most part these days... no one really builds their own stuff.... too expensive...
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Well briggs still has their vanguard engines which they build themselves in the US. But other than that I bet they have someone else build them
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This evening I decided to take this thing down for first round cleaning so I can actually work on it as it's filthy...so here is some before and after shots of the covers removed and the numbers.

I basically just hosed it down with simple green and a brass bristle brush then blasted it with the pressure washer. Tomorrow I will get more involved.

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So would I be right to guess this is another gx160 sized clone or thereabouts?

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It should be a 208cc clone if I’m not mistaken
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Iron rusts, steel should not...not good steel anyways

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Good steel shouldn't attract a magnet either...if it rusts or pulls with a magnet then it has a high iron content making it a poor quality steel...so there you go...I know in the scheme of yard gokarting it doesn't matter but in other circles it makes all the difference in the world.

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Iron rusts, steel should not...not good steel anyways

---------- Post added at 07:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:25 AM ----------

Good steel shouldn't attract a magnet either...if it rusts or pulls with a magnet then it has a high iron content making it a poor quality steel...so there you go...I know in the scheme of yard gokarting it doesn't matter but in other circles it makes all the difference in the world.

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Thanks for all your help 950speed
Whatcha talkin bout willis?...good steel doesnt rust? So only 300 series SS are good steel (and a few other exotics), barely magnetic at molecular level, a basic magnet won't stick.
So 1045, 4140, 4150, S7, A2, A36..etc are not good? (Many more types) Different metals for different applications, we use 17-4 SS for aero parts and its magnetic
So your broad stroke of the brush could be confusing to readers

OP sorry for hyjack, I apologize

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To add where is best place to get parts for the engines used on carts?
I have a couple to go thru this fall/winter

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Whatcha talkin bout willis?...good steel doesnt rust? So only 300 series SS are good steel (and a few other exotics), barely magnetic at molecular level, a basic magnet won't stick.
So 1045, 4140, 4150, S7, A2, A36..etc are not good? (Many more types) Different metals for different applications, we use 17-4 SS for aero parts and its magnetic
So your broad stroke of the brush could be confusing to readers

OP sorry for hyjack, I apologize

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To add where is best place to get parts for the engines used on carts?
I have a couple to go thru this fall/winter
Bahahahahahahaha....

Put those numbers down! I just like harassing people that call sh!tty gas tank stampings made out of steel! You obviously know what I'm talking about or you wouldn't have called me out on it!

I call it sheet metal. Actually one of the few things I prefer made from something other than metal...at least low quality metal anyway. As soon as rust sets in it forever more ruins your day by stopping up the carb.

There's a variety of places to get parts. These other guys probably know the answer to that way better than me so let them chime in.

I know of a few places, but as you can see I'm somewhat jaded but ARC racing parts comes to mind.

Oh yea, I just now got some gas for my little air cooled sweeties!

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...Put those numbers down! I just like harassing people that call sh!tty gas tank stampings made out of steel! ...I call it sheet metal.

You funny guy. For a minute there I was going to just say, "well, he's a wrench turner not a metallurgist"

So let's go your route and avoid the boring details. We'll just call the gas tank metal, no need to be more specific. Going further, we won't call aluminum, aluminum. Lead is not lead, and gold is not gold. Those are just metals. Kosher?

I guess I have an affinity for ferrous metal. Darn near everything I like rusts. Pfffft.
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