My first go kart (HELP ME!)

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Okay, so I'm building my first go kart. I got the plans from the internet. The frame is no problem, but I'm struggling with some technical and mechanical stuff (as it is my first). Do you need a transmission or gearbox of some sort? I saw in some forums people talking about torque converters, do it replace a gearbox and clutch? where can I buy it?

I'm going to buy a 13hp engine.

What brakes will be the best to use? How do I connect it?

Thanks in advance
(oh, I'm living in SA, so I need sites that delivers internationally)
 

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Have a look in the Projects forum here. Lots of talented kart builders on this site that have tackled all the things you will need to do.

I'd imagine you'll want a torque converter on what you want to build. I'd search the forum for into on torque converter, TC, tav2...all terms relating to this.
 

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Hi there Hydrogen, welcome to the forums. Its good to see someone else here from SA. Where in SA you from?

There aren't too many plaves here where you can get go kart parts, but i have found 2. The first one Grogro Industries sells centrifugal clutches and torque converters for go karts. The second one, Checkmate Products sells all things to do with go karts. They also manufacture them.

Unfortunately everything here is crazy expensive, cos it is all imported from America. If you have some way to buy direct from there and have it shipped here for cheaper, go for it. Customs might be a pain in the a$$ though, i'm not sure.

Let me know if you need any more info about where to get stuff.

EDIT: I just called Grogro, and they don't really have stock of anything at the moment. They are going to be placing a new order for more stock soon though. I am not sure if they will be able to get comet TC's though, as there is a shortage since they closed. The guy says that the people that took them over have started production again of the old units.

Prices: TAV2 - R3000-00 ($444)
Comet 40 series - R4000 ($597)
Comet 700/800 Series - R6000 ($895)

Pretty expensive!!!!! He said he did have one or two secondhand units though. He only had the drivens for the 40 Series. They cost R2000 and the belts are about R500
 
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i am new to DIY go karts. i am making my first go kart and i need some plans it would be greatly appreciated.
i am using an old 10hp brggs and stratton engine. and it will have rear suspension.
i need help
 

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Landuse i'm from Newcastle. Thanks for all the help everyone. I'm hoping to start building real soon!

Hey....not so far from me! I was looking at your post again, and saw that you are getting a 13HP engine. I know it is nice and big, and you want to go offroad, but you might not be able to get a centrifugal clutch (if you decide to go that route) that could handle that type of power. Like I said, a TC is also going to be seriously expensive.

You could buy a 6.5HP engine (cheaper as well), and still get a pretty good offroad kart. You would then be able to look at centrifugal clutches.

Have a look on gumtree for go karts. You might be able to get one reasonably cheap and use it for parts, or frame etc.

Have a look at these. The first one has a motorbike engine, so you don't need to get a clutch

http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-...rcycles-motorbikes-go-kart-W0QQAdIdZ288126821
http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-...rcycles-motorbikes-GO-KART-W0QQAdIdZ288137306
http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-...-wagons-Fun-gokart-trailer-W0QQAdIdZ286851528
 

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yeah, I understand your point. Will a centrifugal clutch be better than a TC? will I then need a gearbox of some sort? I found a site that sell the Comet 40 for about $300. If I can get them to ship it for a good price I would really like to stick to a 13hp engine. You know, a young man likes his bit of power and fun every now and then. But thanks for the tip. I'll do my sums and see what will work out best.

What will the average cost be for the frame? (the kart is about 2100x1400x1300).

Is R4500 a good price for the 13hp engine? (brand new, starter with battery) I saw a 6hp one there as well but it's a recoil start.

Where could I find nice tires (with rims)? I'm hoping to use buggy/ATV tires, but don't really know where to find them.

And lastly: do you know where I can get clear plans (with detailed illustrations) on building double A arms and fitting the axle to the back ones and steering to the front? The plans I found was lacking detail here.
Thanks!
 

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yeah, I understand your point. Will a centrifugal clutch be better than a TC? will I then need a gearbox of some sort? I found a site that sell the Comet 40 for about $300. If I can get them to ship it for a good price I would really like to stick to a 13hp engine. You know, a young man likes his bit of power and fun every now and then. But thanks for the tip. I'll do my sums and see what will work out best.

What will the average cost be for the frame? (the kart is about 2100x1400x1300).

Is R4500 a good price for the 13hp engine? (brand new, starter with battery) I saw a 6hp one there as well but it's a recoil start.

Where could I find nice tires (with rims)? I'm hoping to use buggy/ATV tires, but don't really know where to find them.

And lastly: do you know where I can get clear plans (with detailed illustrations) on building double A arms and fitting the axle to the back ones and steering to the front? The plans I found was lacking detail here.
Thanks!

Firstly, a centrifugal clutch will never be as good as a TC. A TC gives you variable gear ratios as you go up through the power band as well as taking the terrain into account. A centrifugal clutch is basically engaged, partly engaged (slipping) or not engaged (when engine is idling). It basically works by centrifugal force pushing pads against the inside of the clutch drum. Going wt the TC, as far as i know you will need a jackshaft. Some of the more experienced guys here can give you some info there.

You wont need a gearbox for either the cent clutch or the TC. That is the beauty of them. They are their own gearbox. There is no changing of gears that you need to do. Not like a motorbike. If you use a motorbike engine, you will still need to change gears.

A 13HP engine might also have a larger diameter shaft than the smaller engines. If this is the case, centrifugal clutches become more expensive. Also make sure that you have a straight shaft (or PTO) and not a tapered one. Tapered ones are no use for karts. I called a place here in town asking about the price for a 13.5hp Subary engine, and they gave me a price of R6300, so R4500 with electric start does sound good. As long as it is a good engine.....

I am making a minibike at the moment, and the frame material I am using is 25mm X 25mm X2mm wall thickness square tubing. It is all the strength you will need for your frame. The amount of steel you will need depends on the cross bracing, as well as the complexity of your design. Work out the length of steel you will need on you frame. I bought steel the other day for R110 per 6m length. As far as I know it only comes in 6m lengths. You will just have to phone around to get the best price.

As for tyres, that is a harder one. For my gokart I got mine from a guy who has a motorbike repair shop in town. He is one of these guys who do everything, and has loads of spares for everything. He has drawers of old spares (most not working....). He fixes a lot of these small chinese quads, and has tyres and rims for sale. I don't think you will get some for cheap though. What you could also do is call all the lawnmower repair places in town, and ask about ride-on lawnmower tyres and rims. Often they can give you some info on where to get secondhand. Sometimes they have a private guy who does those repairs, and you might get some there. Getting new is going to be expensive.

What plans do you have for your gokart? I am not sure where you could get plans for that, but you could always post another thread asking for help and for people to post pics of their setup. If you search the forum a bit you will find pics of what you are looking for. There is tons of info here.

If it was me, I would make really sure about your engine, and what clutch you can get, before you buy. They are big price items that you don't want to purchase and then find that they won't work. I am pretty sure a cent clutch for an engine that large will be a bit expensive, and not easy to buy here, but shop around.

Sorry I couldn't be of much help, but SA is not the easiest and cheapest to get stuff.
 

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Firstly, a centrifugal clutch will never be as good as a TC. A TC gives you variable gear ratios as you go up through the power band as well as taking the terrain into account. A centrifugal clutch is basically engaged, partly engaged (slipping) or not engaged (when engine is idling). It basically works by centrifugal force pushing pads against the inside of the clutch drum. Going wt the TC, as far as i know you will need a jackshaft. Some of the more experienced guys here can give you some info there.

You wont need a gearbox for either the cent clutch or the TC. That is the beauty of them. They are their own gearbox. There is no changing of gears that you need to do. Not like a motorbike. If you use a motorbike engine, you will still need to change gears.

A 13HP engine might also have a larger diameter shaft than the smaller engines. If this is the case, centrifugal clutches become more expensive. Also make sure that you have a straight shaft (or PTO) and not a tapered one. Tapered ones are no use for karts. I called a place here in town asking about the price for a 13.5hp Subary engine, and they gave me a price of R6300, so R4500 with electric start does sound good. As long as it is a good engine.....

I am making a minibike at the moment, and the frame material I am using is 25mm X 25mm X2mm wall thickness square tubing. It is all the strength you will need for your frame. The amount of steel you will need depends on the cross bracing, as well as the complexity of your design. Work out the length of steel you will need on you frame. I bought steel the other day for R110 per 6m length. As far as I know it only comes in 6m lengths. You will just have to phone around to get the best price.

As for tyres, that is a harder one. For my gokart I got mine from a guy who has a motorbike repair shop in town. He is one of these guys who do everything, and has loads of spares for everything. He has drawers of old spares (most not working....). He fixes a lot of these small chinese quads, and has tyres and rims for sale. I don't think you will get some for cheap though. What you could also do is call all the lawnmower repair places in town, and ask about ride-on lawnmower tyres and rims. Often they can give you some info on where to get secondhand. Sometimes they have a private guy who does those repairs, and you might get some there. Getting new is going to be expensive.

What plans do you have for your gokart? I am not sure where you could get plans for that, but you could always post another thread asking for help and for people to post pics of their setup. If you search the forum a bit you will find pics of what you are looking for. There is tons of info here.

If it was me, I would make really sure about your engine, and what clutch you can get, before you buy. They are big price items that you don't want to purchase and then find that they won't work. I am pretty sure a cent clutch for an engine that large will be a bit expensive, and not easy to buy here, but shop around.

Sorry I couldn't be of much help, but SA is not the easiest and cheapest to get stuff.

Okay, I'll find out about the PTO and steel prices right away.
And thanks for the lawnmower tip, didn't think about that.
I fully agree about first finding out about the engine and clutch, It's the main reason why I am still waiting and looking for prices. Don't want to run out of money before I even began! But I'm still waiting for a reply from that site on the comet 40 kit. It will determine everything. If we only had a good cheaper kart part dealer! Life would have been so much easier.
Oh, another thing, where can I find a rear axle with a sprocket? And a steering mechanism?
 

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I am not too sure about where to get an axle. You might have to call an engineering company and ask if they would sell you a keyed axel, or maybe call Checkmate Products and ask where they get theirs. The guy I have spoken to there is always helpfull. You can sometimes also use ride-on lawnmower axels. Sprockets you can get at any bearing shop, like Bearing Man. Plate sprockets are a bit hard to get, you generally only get ones with a boss on them. This depends on what chain pitch you want as well. Make sure that if you get a cent clutch, that your rear sprocket is of the same chain pitch.

I have added a pic of a sprocket I bought that i am going to have to get machined to remove the boss on it.

Steering is a little bit difficult. You could manufacture your own, making sure you get all the steering geometry right, or you could again try use ride-on mower parts. Ride on mower parts do have to be strengthened though, cos they not made to handle speed. My gokart has one of these axels.

You could maybe check out some of the videos made by T-man for the reverse trike that he is making. He has one or 2 vodeos that take you through making the steering mechanism.

Maybe you could by a junk kart frame somewhere and take the steering off that?

Sorry, not too helpfull again
 

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