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Well after taking some more pics tonight i decided to make a project log,

Images speak better than words, and heres a few images.















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And tonight's (where i am atm)






Ill take some more tomorrow, there's a few engine swaps and design changes in there, the headlight is coming back it just broke the tacks a few weeks ago,

Tell me what you think.
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Uhhhhh, isn't that seat waaaay too far back?
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Holy hugineous pictures batman.
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Looks that way, but when your sitting in it it's really comfortable!

Thats the new engine i have mounted, a 1950's Villiers Midget MkII, 98cc - with a nice atco tank that came with it.

And yes i like pictures, ill post more today.
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OMG that is sooo cool, I want!!

I love old engines too, that Villiers is pretty nice. Ironically that particular engine was used on every thing from mowers (where I presume you got yours from due to the atco tank?) to motorbikes (hence the sloped fins and free air cooling).

They where pretty gutless (1.5 HP rings a bell?), you'd never kill one though.

Very cool project, I certainly be keeping an eye on this one!

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Yes a atco mower, well it came off one, i found this in a shed when we picked up some windows from a guy on trademe, the best things in life are free, good example!

Well someone said 1hp @ 1700rpm, someone else said 1.5, someone else... etc im not too sure, id think 98cc would be at least 2 hp lol, they are pretty torquey 2 strokes i hear.

I gave the piston a clean and polish, and the barrel/top of the barrel a clean and oil - after that and a few spark plug modifications it ran like a clock, mounted the motor & fuel tank and made a header pipe that comes out 90* down about 200mm, 30mm inside dia. pipe, and far out is it loud.
One thing though, idles like a hit and miss engine, really sounds cool - will finish the pipes tomorrow, might cut the tacks on the header and make it go on the outside of the frame instead of down the center im not sure there's room for both. - well actually im not sure lol, its a big dia.

Im really glad you like my project, are you into the old stuff too?

Do you know they made 4 million villiers midget's worldwide?

Cheers, Cameron
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They where pretty gutless (1.5 HP rings a bell?), you'd never kill one though.
That 84-85 Honda spree/nifty fifty motor wouldn't be much faster
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Well that was an idea, but it didn't fit the nostalgic time period, and dosent sound as nice.

Video to come.
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I wonder how good old bike brakes work at 30+mph.
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I have a beach cruiser I put a 50cc on. put a jackshaft on it and cut the pedals off and weldded a sprocket onto the crank so you can shift through all 7 gears just as if you were riding it. 1st gear gets my 180lbs up any hill I've put it to and tops it out at maybe 6mph. 7th gear tops at 40
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Not sure what to do on it today, its raining and im not too enthusiastic but i took a video

Might have a look at getting a starter setup, i don't want the pull starter, lol... and the idea of a kicker sounds ok but electric start would be choice, was looking around in the shed and found a few mitsi, ford and mini alternators/generators was thinking of using one of them as the belt tension er between the motor and jackshaft, was wondering if i could use it as a starter as-well, a thought.

Anyone have exhaust idea's? im actually fine with it coming 300mm out of the block and to the side loud but very original - could muffle it.. No need for back pressure on these 2 strokes they have a sloped piston..

Heres the video - Cheers, Cam.

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And here i am tonight.





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Needs a dirtbike pipe
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Spot the pipes on that....he he he...
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Dude, I love this thread but please read the F.A.Q. regarding uploading photos, it would be nice to read and enjoy this in the standard formatting the thumbnail version.
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Yes a atco mower, well it came off one, i found this in a shed when we picked up some windows from a guy on trademe, the best things in life are free, good example!

Well someone said 1hp @ 1700rpm, someone else said 1.5, someone else... etc im not too sure, id think 98cc would be at least 2 hp lol, they are pretty torquey 2 strokes i hear.

I gave the piston a clean and polish, and the barrel/top of the barrel a clean and oil - after that and a few spark plug modifications it ran like a clock, mounted the motor & fuel tank and made a header pipe that comes out 90* down about 200mm, 30mm inside dia. pipe, and far out is it loud.
One thing though, idles like a hit and miss engine, really sounds cool - will finish the pipes tomorrow, might cut the tacks on the header and make it go on the outside of the frame instead of down the center im not sure there's room for both. - well actually im not sure lol, its a big dia.
It does sound very nice, seems to idle pretty low, sound very cool when revved too .

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Im really glad you like my project, are you into the old stuff too?

Do you know they made 4 million villiers midget's worldwide?

Cheers, Cameron
I love old stuff! I drive a 1957 Peugeot 403 lol.

4 million certainly wouldn't surprise me! You don't see many like yours though, the mk 1s are much more common.

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Might have a look at getting a starter setup, i don't want the pull starter, lol... and the idea of a kicker sounds ok but electric start would be choice, was looking around in the shed and found a few mitsi, ford and mini alternators/generators was thinking of using one of them as the belt tension er between the motor and jackshaft, was wondering if i could use it as a starter as-well, a thought.
I've always thought of making a kick starter using a small sprocket mounted on a Briggs ball pull starter thingy with a chain welded onto a plate attached to the kick lever, like so

This would be about half way through a kick, obviously not to scale or anything. (Sorry about the crappy drawing)

I'm going to do this when I build my Victa powered mini bike (when I get a few other projects done).

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Anyone have exhaust idea's? im actually fine with it coming 300mm out of the block and to the side loud but very original - could muffle it.. No need for back pressure on these 2 strokes they have a sloped piston..
How about a fish tail type pipe? Those "pipes" on that Harley are cool!

Your project looks like it was built many many decades ago, I love the nostalgic look of it!

Great project, keep it up!

Thanks

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Yes a little kicker like that would be choice, have given up on electric start, too much like hard work!

at the moment im working on the jack shaft which is going to be mid mounted, in line with the back sprocket, to allow clearance for the belt to go around the engine mount.

it uses the nifty fifty spigot- 16mm (which has a spline and a threaded end in it) for the clutch side, then a bit of 30 - 40mm pipe i will have machined out to fit two 16mm bearings - this will transfer drive from one side to another and provide a geared down chain system (16t -42t).

Tomorrow i will go and get a bike back hub, im looking at taking the guts out of it and ill post pics tomorrow -its too hard to explain.

once connected and driving i will then set to work on getting a kicker setup

the exhaust is a little loud - but not as loud as the real deal, also as you might have thought this is not a practical everyday driving bike, so im pretty ok with the noise, it has been dampened by the washer baffle but i might put another in for the **** of it.

Do you like the way i cut the pipe end? that's when a 5 inch bosch come's in real handy

Didn't get round to doing anything on it today apart from taking the spigot out of the nifty fifty gearbox - have a wall to put in tomorrow ut:

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Went a little overboard with pics, :P

Will post links now,

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8218/p1040132.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/i/p1040131w.jpg/

http://img687.imageshack.us/i/p1040130g.jpg/

http://img641.imageshack.us/i/p1040133.jpg/

Well as you can see its a one way bearing/hub sprocket - to make things simple im just going to have a kicker lever/pedal mounted forwards with a return spring:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1117/kicker2.jpg

Any input appreciated, cheers Cam.
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I've always thought of making a kick starter using a small sprocket mounted on a Briggs ball pull starter thingy with a chain welded onto a plate attached to the kick lever, like so

Somewhat like the pedal starters Briggs used back before rope starters?

http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/images/brgs_l.jpg
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