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Old 03-09-2019, 09:48 AM
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Has not run in a while but engine turns over.
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Old 03-10-2019, 10:47 AM
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IDK I like the 5hp briggs...
I think I'd pay 120 or such..
maybe 150 if everything else is in good enough shape
and the vinyl seat cover has enough left to make a pattern for a new one...
luckily the back appears to be decent enough to be reused.

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Old 03-10-2019, 11:04 AM
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Doesn't look like engine is original?
Thoughts anyone on value and originality?
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For a go kart, in general, original engines are not terribly valuable. I will say I think it was taken care of for a while and the left to sit. '440' must be riding off the fame of the Dodge 440, definitely not 440cc.
The carb looks like a bowlless type unlike mine, but everything appears pretty stock, so chances are that it wasn't used very hard SINCE it doesn't have any noticeable mods.
Bonus points for live axle and chain guard(jealous)
$100-$150 sounds reasonable.
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Old 03-10-2019, 07:16 PM
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well..
the clark cyclops 440 originally came with a 4hp flathead tecumseh for all I know
(Orange krate would know right away.. I will need to look it up to be 100% certain... but let's say my current 75% certainty is okay for now)

And true, chances are high that this 5hp briggs is NOT the engine the kart was delivered with;
BUT: it's at least a period correct and of identical makeup
(frankly it's difficult to tell the two engines apart for the untrained eye )
And bonus: 1additional horse, and easier to find replacement/repair parts.

And I have to disagree with JT!!
'original' engines are a huuuge value.
especially for super rare karts, it can double the value to have the perfect original engine on it.

The main reason you see large Westbends and old McCulloch Macs with a near to four figure pricetag occasionally..
those belong to similarly expensive karts (like perfect Rupp A-Bones for example.. or Poison Arrows orrrrr... )

the 440 is a clone, a cheap('ish) clone of the aforementioned Rupp A-Bone
it targeted a 'less racing - more backyard fun' audience that's several years younger than the A-Bone audience

And with that it was never as expensive although it's almost an exact copy (down to the bearing hangars)
the main difference is: it was specifically made to take a four stroke lawn mower engine, instead of a two stroke race engine
(price difference is a factor of ten! was back then, is still today)


And with that... it's good to have a period correct briggs,
but it's not the end of the world if you have to let it go for something else

I'd stick with flathead (or L head) but frankly if it's a briggs or a tec I wouldn't care much...
(I prefere Briggs for some weird unknown reason)

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oh look.. specs...
4hp... and that red fuel cap is certainly a tecumseh... good I wasn't hallucinating *gg*
aaand the 446 (later model with identical frame) sported a 5hp flathead briggs just like 'yours' has!
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Thanks guys!
This is real helpful. I probably offer 150 since he is a friend and look forward to taking on a cool project. Looks like the value is not significant enough in original trim to prohibit some modification for back yard use.

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Thanks guys!
This is real helpful. I probably offer 150 since he is a friend and look forward to taking on a cool project. Looks like the value is not significant enough in original trim to prohibit some modification for back yard use.
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You posted that twice...
I woul do some mild modifications, but keep it at least looking original 'cause it's pretty durn slick.
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I wouldn't structurally modify that kart..
it's (as long as it's not broken) about as good as you can get.
Frankly, chances are you affect handling in a bad way if you cut or weld off or to it...

An axle mounted engine is okay (since that's the main difference to a Rupp)
but other than that I'd stay away from modifications.. you hardly can improve handling
without an engineers degree

Please search the forum for clark cyclops..
Orange krate had lots and they popped up every now and again
(The pics I linked I've taken from one of our threads a while ago... )

Read those, see what others attempted and how..
not to copy what they did, but to see if some raised a warning flag and how they avoided mistakes etc.

I think in perfectly restored condition
i.e.
seat redone keeping the stamped back and replacing everything else holding true to the original pattern;
kart blasted clean and repainted;
deoxidised wheels, painted or waxed..
and a a well maintained good running briggs
everything back to as good as new in fact...
I think you are looking at a value of ~400-500 bucks maybe more

the moment you modify the frame that value will be cut in half I'd say..
So yeah.. I wouldn't

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Good advise!
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:21 PM
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I think that muffler and deflector are exactly the same as mine...

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It's interesting how 5 pony Briggs give you an option of a screw in or flange muffler.
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Waiting on fresh brakes, seat cover and exhaust.
Keeping it old school.
Runs like a champ!
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Lookin' pretty retro!
I'm sure you repainted that frame, right?
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Yup! Rattle can paint job figuring my boys will drive it like it was stolen!
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Rattle Can Kart Club!
I rattle canned mine, I intend to put another coat on eventually.
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Nice going!! That seat must cause a pain in the A$$ after a while
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