Go Back   DIY Go Kart Forum > Building Plans And Advice > Photo Gallery & Project Log

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-02-2019, 12:33 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default Model T fiberglass body go kart project

New guy here, last night I picked up a used go kart with a fiberglass Model T delivery van body.


From what I've found it started life as a promotional go kart raffled off by Krogers and looked like this:


Not much information out there about it, don't know how many were made or how rare it is. The one I picked up was heading down the rat rod path but that's not really my thing so that will change, I'm not going to restore it either, it is missing too many original parts and I don't want to be forever on the hunt for them.

My thing is more miniature scale versions of things, when I first got the go kart itch I was looking more towards the Shriner Model T parade cars but those were way out of my budget plus I wanted to have fun with something without feeling like I was taking away from it's value, or afraid to use it. So I ended up buying this!

I don't know what direction I'll go with it, I was thinking paddy wagon like this:


Which would translate roughly to this:


The body is actually in decent shape, just a couple minor cracks, it will eventually be repainted. The wing and side mirrors will go as well. Wheels and tires are getting ditched too, I'm leaning toward all four 4.80/4.00-8 trailer wheels/tires which will look more period correct being a little taller and skinnier.






But first things first, I am going to get it running and go from there. I removed the non-original motor and gave it back to the guy when I bought it, I have a brand-new motor for it, and a new clutch is on the way. The frame clearly needs a little tweaking as well.

More to come!
Stewart
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Stew For This Useful Post:
firemanjim (04-06-2020)
  #2  
Old 12-02-2019, 12:55 PM
JTSpeedDemon's Avatar
JTSpeedDemon JTSpeedDemon is online now
2019 Build Off Winner!
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,538
Thanks: 796
Thanked 548 Times in 498 Posts
Default

Great find! I've never seen one of those before!
Maybe dress it up like a paddy wagon and stick your dog in there!
You do have a dog, don't you?
__________________
Currently Flathead-Crazed
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-02-2019, 01:12 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

You know it! On the left we have "Poncho" who is half yellow lab, half Golden retriever and on the right is "Bubba" a black lab rescue dog.

Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Stew For This Useful Post:
firemanjim (04-06-2020), JTSpeedDemon (12-02-2019)
  #4  
Old 12-02-2019, 04:10 PM
JTSpeedDemon's Avatar
JTSpeedDemon JTSpeedDemon is online now
2019 Build Off Winner!
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,538
Thanks: 796
Thanked 548 Times in 498 Posts
Default


I have two dogs, Chihuahua terrier mutts. One boy, one girl, from the same litter.
About 2 years old, the boy is named Pablo, and the girl is named Lizzie! I wonder how Pancho and Pablo would get along.....
__________________
Currently Flathead-Crazed
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-02-2019, 07:17 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

I removed the body and checked everything out. Good grief, I think every nut, washer and bolt was different, almost none matched side to side or front to back on things. The seat appeared to be something you'd find in an elementary school, you know the kind with the chrome legs, and multiple mounting holes were drilled mere fractions of an inch apart for various things for no really good reason apparently. The two front tires and wheels did match but the two rears were different sizes with completely different wheels. The original gas and brake pedals were ditched, the new brake pedal looks like it used to be a motorcycle gear shift lever and the gas pedal is completely umm custom.

After removing all the junk the frame is not as tweaked as it first seemed, it looked worse than it was due to the one taller rear tire and the body being mounted a little cockeyed.

In this pic you can see the extra offset front mounting hole mere millimeters away from the original mounting hole on that top bar with the foam tape residue, and to heck with the good factory pedals, lets make custom pedals that barely work!


The body is removed as well as most of the jerry-rigged stuff. A pretty basic frame that's seen a hard life, perfect for me to practice welding on and hopefully improve it. Incredibly the brake works, sort of.


I think the 4.80-8 trailer tire looks a little too big, I think I'll go with 5.30X4.50-6 which will be a little taller than the ones currently on the front, and some new wheels.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-07-2019, 03:14 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Today I was able to spend a little time on my new toy. No new pictures but I got all the double sided foam tape scraped off, filed down the burrs from the extra holes that were drilled in the frame so I don't have to get a tetanus shot at the walk-in, and scrubbed it up a bit with some purple power.

I also ordered all new matching wheels and tires so I'll be able to start making actual progress on it when those get here. The fronts will fit on the existing spindles and from there I'll be able to figure out how wide of a rear axle I'll need to do the conversion to a live axle. I went with 5.30X4.50-6 all the way around which looked like the best fit for the body.

More to come!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-07-2019, 04:25 PM
JTSpeedDemon's Avatar
JTSpeedDemon JTSpeedDemon is online now
2019 Build Off Winner!
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,538
Thanks: 796
Thanked 548 Times in 498 Posts
Default

Eeeegh!
That is some seriously nasty riggery!
At least the riggery on my kart makes sense!
__________________
Currently Flathead-Crazed
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-07-2019, 06:57 PM
Budget GoKart's Avatar
Budget GoKart Budget GoKart is online now
Aka a kenbar
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: indiana
Posts: 1,581
Thanks: 47
Thanked 199 Times in 182 Posts
Default

This reminds me of my second Indy kart the gas pedal was a spatula
__________________
I gotta fix my flathead collection
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-08-2019, 07:02 AM
JTSpeedDemon's Avatar
JTSpeedDemon JTSpeedDemon is online now
2019 Build Off Winner!
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,538
Thanks: 796
Thanked 548 Times in 498 Posts
Default

^^
I would have laughed out loud when I read that if I had my voice, and if my family wasn't asleep here in the living room!
__________________
Currently Flathead-Crazed
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-08-2019, 03:57 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Did a little work while waiting for parts, cut off the wonky custom gas pedal and cleaned up the old welds and removed the brake pedal also. It will get new pedals here pretty soon.



Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Stew For This Useful Post:
landuse (12-08-2019)
  #11  
Old 12-13-2019, 05:24 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Got some parts over the last couple of days... 4 new 5.30/4.50-6 sawtooth tires, 4 new aluminum wheels and er um two new tubes. They accidentally sent me just two instead of two pair, I contacted them and the other two are on their way, hooray!

Anywho, I can get the two fronts mounted up and measure the track width along with the step-down spacing from 1" to 3/4" on the rear wheels and then get the rear axle ordered next. I want the track width of the front and rear tires to be as close to the same as I can get them.

I like the additional height of the new tires compared to what's on there now but I actually do wish they were as skinny as the 4.10/3.50-6's

I'll get some more pictures tomorrow, man it gets dark out so early these days!

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-29-2019, 06:27 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

The other day I got the rear wheels positioned so I could measure the width, now I can go ahead and get the rear axle ordered.


Also got a few other parts in to do the conversion, the caliper and bracket for the rear disc and pillow block bearings for the axle. Haven't made much progress with the holidays and incredibly short days but I'm still making progress.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Stew For This Useful Post:
Flyinhillbilly (01-18-2020)
  #13  
Old 01-07-2020, 04:18 AM
wheels's Avatar
wheels wheels is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 170
Thanks: 15
Thanked 23 Times in 19 Posts
Default

This is cool... I wish I could find something like that.
__________________
learning something new everyday.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-07-2020, 06:05 AM
Budget GoKart's Avatar
Budget GoKart Budget GoKart is online now
Aka a kenbar
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: indiana
Posts: 1,581
Thanks: 47
Thanked 199 Times in 182 Posts
Default

i can see many issues mounting a live axle here but i think its possible are you just going to cut the old rear end bits off where the wheels attach or are you going to make a new rear entirely? when i get time ill put a pic of what i mean
__________________
I gotta fix my flathead collection
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-07-2020, 04:14 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Placed the order for the axle, sprocket, brake disc, pedals, etc on Saturday (parts should be here Thursday) and am going to the steel yard on Friday so there should be more progress very soon.

Yep, the frame is getting chopped off just forward of the engine mounting plate and a new rear section fabricated!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-17-2020, 07:00 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Now I'm starting to get somewhere. I've got all the parts I need and went and picked up my steel order today. This is where it was at, frame stripped ready for surgery.


Here I chopped off the rear end just forward of the motor mount, and cut the motor mount free and cleaned it up to be re-used.


I welded new frame pieces on for the live axle conversion.


Today was the first time I've ever welded in my life, I've soldered wires and plumbing before so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the concept. This is what my welds looked like from the HF $100 flux core mig welder after about 2 hours of practice. Not great but I think they'll hold haha. I'm not going to grind the welds but I'll do a light pass with the grinder to knock the boogers off.


I also went around the frame and welded up all the extra holes the previous owner drilled, that was a little challenging because some of them were kinda big and this tubing isn't that thick. It was good practice though. This pic shows one of the extra holes I'm talking about on the front body mount.


Also while looking around online I discovered that this go kart appears to be made by FW & Associates Mini Cars, the frame looks exactly like every single other one, it looks like they made virtually every fiberglass body go kart from the mid '70's through the early '90's or so. The only difference between all the different frames was the mounts to attach the various bodies.

More updates coming soon!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Stew For This Useful Post:
jmaack (01-17-2020)
  #17  
Old 01-18-2020, 07:39 AM
JTSpeedDemon's Avatar
JTSpeedDemon JTSpeedDemon is online now
2019 Build Off Winner!
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,538
Thanks: 796
Thanked 548 Times in 498 Posts
Default

I'd say that weld actually looks pretty decent for a HF 125 and 2 hours of practice! It's blended pretty nicely with the metal, plus I don't see any pores on the surface!
__________________
Currently Flathead-Crazed
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01-18-2020, 11:46 AM
Flyinhillbilly's Avatar
Flyinhillbilly Flyinhillbilly is offline
The great cornholio
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: North West Arkansas
Posts: 2,348
Thanks: 2,374
Thanked 1,088 Times in 770 Posts
Default

This is shaping up nicely
__________________
You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01-18-2020, 12:21 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Thanks guys, I enjoy these kind of projects and practicing new skills, I know it's one of those things that improves with practice.

The new rear frame sections look a little long but some of that length will be taken up when I make a couple cuts/welds to make a slight upward step in the frame to try and keep the new live axle in the same position as the original axle. And it will all easily fit within the body. If I just bolt the pillow block bearings on right now it'll give it a slight forward rake which I don't want.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-18-2020, 05:15 PM
Stew Stew is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 49
Thanks: 9
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Ok I'm starting to get the hang of this


Finished the rear frame sections. I didn't cut all the way through, just three sides so I could bend it and weld it back up. Next I'll get the frame under the body so I can mark where the rear axle goes and get that bolted up, then weld in a couple cross braces.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Stew For This Useful Post:
Flyinhillbilly (01-18-2020), landuse (01-19-2020)
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:06 PM.