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Old 08-01-2018, 08:41 AM
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Keep in mind that I grew up in the 70s and we never had helmets for anything other than motorcycles. However, twice yesterday someone scolded me for letting my kids ride our "fun" kart without helmets. I've owned this kart since 1977 and my older cousins owned it before me. None of us ever used helmets. So, my question is should I make the kids wear helmets? I can't foresee anyone falling out of such a low center of gravity kart. I mean, it's sitting about 2 or 3 inches off of the ground. There doesn't seem to be an chance of a rollover condition with such low center of gravity. It's only ridden on flat paved ground too since it's a single wheel drive kart.

Any thoughts on this subject are welcome. I'm just curious what others think.

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Old 08-01-2018, 08:53 AM
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Meh, I go without a helmet on a TAV powered kart with 18" tires that accelerates like the wind. The kids should be fine w/o a helmet on a Centri clutch. Also, no matter how much protection you give them, teaching them how to not be stupid and drive safely is the best protection.
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The general rules, I go by are:

Always wear a helmet & seatbelts to protect your head from hitting the karts roll bar, if so equipped.

And then, Helmets can sometimes end-up being a very good safety practice for anyone riding any type of kart.

But... the additional weight of helmets can also end up putting a lot more stress on your neck, when coupled with the extremely high G-forces that some gokarts can develop while cornering; or a situation like crashing the kart into a wall, curb or a car. So... I always also wear a (Simpson brand) neck-brace, anytime I decide to wear a helmet while riding a kart.

But to answer your question more directly,
the final choice is really just up to you man
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The general rules, I go by are:

Always wear a helmet & seatbelts to protect your head from hitting the karts roll bar, if so equipped.

And then, Helmets can sometimes end-up being a very good safety practice for anyone riding any type of kart.

But... the additional weight of helmets can also end up putting a lot more stress on your neck, when coupled with the extremely high G-forces that some gokarts can develop while cornering; or a situation like crashing the kart into a wall, curb or a car. So... I always also wear a (Simpson brand) neck-brace, anytime I decide to wear a helmet while riding a kart.

But to answer your question more directly,
the final choice is really just up to you man
It's a P212 with a Centri clutch, not a Lifan 200cc shifter kart. I doubt serious head gforces are a huge deal
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It's a P212 with a Centri clutch, not a Lifan 200cc shifter kart. I doubt serious head gforces are a huge deal
Hes referring to the what if scenario if the kids hit a wall or a solid object at speed. And using his racing kart experience as a example.
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For me it's a matter of trust. Both with myself and for other people and because of other people.

I say myself because:
If I am doing something new or that I am unfamiliar with, (I don't trust myself) I make sure to take safety precautions.

I say for other people because:
If I am responsible for their safety while they are riding their go kart or riding my go kart, if I don't "trust them" to not be reckless at higher speeds, I want them to have something (seatbelts/helmet). When they have proven they are responsible enough, then I default to how I treat myself, use protection when doing something new (new race track, new top speed on a hill, new bumps or small jumps, etc).

I say because of other people because:
If I am riding or someone I am responsible for is riding around other people I do not trust, then safety precautions are a MUST. It changes physics from a cart doing 20mph+ to doing 40mph+ if they hit each other.

I make it clear if they can't drive responsibly(to my standards), they will be wearing whatever safety precautions I see fit.... or they won't be driving at all.



The best response I have had to people trying to give me flack for not making people ride safely... I tell them, "Ask the people/kids who are riding, What happens if you start driving recklessly?". Because they will know the rules.

Just like Tpdingo Tpdingo said:
.....teaching them how to not be stupid and drive safely is the best protection.
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:21 AM
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I agree with anderkart, if you do use a helmet, use a neck collar.
Also, you can't rule out the unlikely event of a stuck throttle, brake failure, or driver panic.
When I'm just putting around I might not wear a brain bucket.
If I'm going fast, I wear a helmet and collar.
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I was driving my kart the other day and everything seemed dandy until I found out my brake pedal was especially weak. The lock nut(weak lock nut) came out and the bolt fell out of the brake rod and I had no brakes. Never thought it could, or would happen, but it did. I put in a rusty bolt with a nylock. If anything happens to the nylock, well the rust should hold it in place.

BTW: No injuries. I bled off enough speed and up into my garage, crashing into a cardboard box at around 5mph. Neither the kart nor the box were damaged, but a lesson learned. Take a quick look at the brakes before riding, along with confirming their operation before getting up to speed.
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I usually don't.

But I'm stupid.

And an adult.

When my kids get big enough to drive a kart, they will wear helmets.
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Ok, let me clarify. I don't wear my helmet when I ride near my home. I live in a court right off a main road so I get a 150ft circle to play with. Enough to have fun but not to go fast. When I go to my riding place where there is around 800x400ft to play with, I wear a bike helmet. My friend(who I don't trust not to kill himself*) gets a motorcycle helmet instead.

*=Riding past two concrete poles ~36" apart in a go kart that is 32" wide at 30 mph to get a top speed attempt is how you kill yourself when the rear tires catch the poles.
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It's not an issue of safety it's an issue of the current society we live in. The right person sees kids without helmets you could be slapped with child endangerment or who knows what.

I've had it with the 'safe' meme.
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As long as we're talking safety-
I err on the side of caution and follow the racing standard even on yard karts.
Every nut and bolt in my steering and brakes is drilled and cotter pinned, Barry clipped, or safety wired.
I also do axle flange bolts, spindle bolts, and the axle itself (front stubs too),
It may come loose, but it's not coming off.
The price of a drill block and a good set of bits is cheap compared to a hospital visit.
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As long as we're talking safety-
I err on the side of caution and follow the racing standard even on yard karts.
Every nut and bolt in my steering and brakes is drilled and cotter pinned, Barry clipped, or safety wired.
I also do axle flange bolts, spindle bolts, and the axle itself (front stubs too),
It may come loose, but it's not coming off.
The price of a drill block and a good set of bits is cheap compared to a hospital visit.
For our friends to the north the investment may not be worth it.
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It is only your kid's head. If he loses it, you can always make another kid.

When I was a kid, I rode on my Mom's lap in the front seat of the car.
"Click! I'll be your safety belt."

Just because we used to do things and didn't die doesn't mean those things were smart.
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It is only your kid's head. If he loses it, you can always make another kid.
Then if that is the case, make backups before you start go karting if you lose a few along the way. Not too costly.
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I admit, once in awhile you might catch me with a helmet. Living on gravel I prefer jeans, boots and gloves. I haven't had any bad kart accidents. A few atvs mishaps but nothing major. Cant say same for everyone out here. I might get on it on the straights but dont drive too crazy otherwise. No hill jumping etc. I'm wanting to get a minibike. After 20+years of construction sometimes just don't feel like climbing onto a kart and need help getting off lol.
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Keep in mind that I grew up in the 70s and we never had helmets for anything other than motorcycles. However, twice yesterday someone scolded me for letting my kids ride our "fun" kart without helmets. I've owned this kart since 1977 and my older cousins owned it before me. None of us ever used helmets. So, my question is should I make the kids wear helmets? I can't foresee anyone falling out of such a low center of gravity kart. I mean, it's sitting about 2 or 3 inches off of the ground. There doesn't seem to be an chance of a rollover condition with such low center of gravity. It's only ridden on flat paved ground too since it's a single wheel drive kart.

Any thoughts on this subject are welcome. I'm just curious what others think.

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Although Im stupid enough not to wear a helmet as being an adult....but,i make my kids and grandkids wear them or ...nor ride !
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I think it's more the "practice" thing. My kids wear helmets on bicycles, not for fear but for practice, and so I wear one as an example. They don't wear them in the power wheels but helmet and neck brace (and chest/rib pad) in the kart. I have to wear a helmet to autocross and they're seeing this...safety isn't a crime or a weakness but I'm totally on board with people using common sense. The boy half throttles the kart out to the field without his gear on, then gears up. Something could happen in that short time but we go with the likelihood rule. When you're in the moment, having fun, stuff can happen.

And I'm from the same 70s gen...half our cars growing up didn't have belts and we jumped the creek on our huffy with nary a care in the world, wind in our hair. Lucky us!!!
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I were a hard hat to keep me smart and safety glasses to keep bugs out of eye's. Hope helps
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