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1 1/8" tc isn't even difficult Comets 44C, 1190 and ar available in 1 1/8"
just not for 80 horses.. And AC or not.. shifting the motor rpm out of the peak torque rpm is generally not exactly a smart move. And because AC motors are common in full scale electric cars it's very much something worth toying around with in such electric car. (I think even the first tesla [that Lotus clone] had a 162kW 3phase AC motor) Anywhoo... what it did NOT have however was a clutch of course, but yes true true... OP asked for a clutch... luckily Randy took care of that! The only reason I can think of a clutch making vaguely any sense is as a stalling protection. In order to drastically remove the drawn amps at low speeds.. too high of a load slows the clutch into disengagement and thus protects from the motor drawing excessive currents.. then again not adjusting the motor rpms immediately would just boil off the clutch lining... and you'd need a new clutch ever other time that happens .. I'd say get a manual clutch instead if you really think you need one.. Some old sports bike dryclutch cage are easy and cheap to find and plates are easy to replace and usually not too expensive either.. the -usually- splined cage hub can easily be cut to accept a round keyed shaft.. and an actuator pin can be made rather easily as well (one fixed pivot on the motor case and a rocking lever essentially) Since modern motorcycles easily exceed 80 horses, durability of the clutch shouldn't be an issue really it's the centrifugal part of the request that cannot easily be satisfied that way.. reversely springloaded and retrofitted with some actuators taken from a bully clutch or an old elevator emergency brake IDK.. if we talk vehicular motivation (which the name and gist of this forum suggests) then there is no way I can think of a cent clutch making any sense... Maybe on an old school two phase AC motor.. to drastically reduce the starter cap size, but you'd need a clutch engagment speed of IDK 10 rpms? 20 perhaps.. Ah well.. Im curious let's say ![]() 'sid
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But it's not a squirrel cage. It's 3 phase AC, and likely vector control drive(or variable frequency drive). The motor isn't waiting to get up to speed like a normal 60hz induction motor. The controller is synced to the rotor at almost every speed so you get the speed very quickly as long as the amps can supply it.
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Interesting theories, deductions and information. As in most cases, this will be a application specific combination.
Think of it as "Dropping the clutch" at the launch of a drag race. It may be 100% torque, but it is still not moving at launch. It does not have to be 5000 RPM, Just enough rotation before the launch to make the vehicle hit ....hard. I have run DC and AC motors and the AC motor still has a softer (relatively speaking) launch compared to the DC. My 60 foot times are poo poo. I have been contemplating this change for some time and its benefits have been proven. I recently saw a AC Dragster out if California add a 10 disk from a Top fuel harley and dropped their 60 foot time from 1.7 to 1.2 sec. That is a big difference. I would think with a lighter vehicle, I would get even better time reductions. We will see. Ed |
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You can use VFD control on a regular old 3 phase, squirrel cage, induction, AC motor. I know this, because I've done it. Apologies to those who know, many redundancies in my previous sentence. Haha, I know I'm wasting my mad Swipe skills. |
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