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Old 11-12-2019, 08:17 PM
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I picked up this little go kart last weekend. It's way to small for me, but I just couldn't pass it up. It came with a 5hp Briggs engine that I doubt was original to the kart. The guy said it runs... pfft, maybe at one time, but as soon as I took the cap off the tank, I could tell it was a LONG time ago that it ran. The tank is rusty inside and the gas was now varnish. Anyway, on the floor pan is a painted over sticker that says Robron 436 N. Cook St. Bennettsville, SC 29512

I'd like to know as much as I can about the kart... like does it look to be all original? To me, it looks to be. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated, and THANKS in advance.

Is this still a functioning number to call Robron? Phone: (843) 479-6962
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:14 PM
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AWESOME!

That is an ABone clone (likely the best you can find)

Apart from the Manco wheels which certainly do not belong on a Rupp kart
(or rob rons for that matter)
it looks to be original .. unsure about the steering wheel ..
and while that is some sort of a fun kart version (fixed engine mount)
I'd still say it should've had a three spoke chrome steering wheel *shrugs*

Anyways, a bit of love and maybe different wheels (5 wheels )
Nylites or so would be great with an indy500 steering wheel ..
and it'll be a very nice kart to have.

please no predator.. some flathead is a much more period correct match..
I know.. but if you intend to sell it that makes a difference

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Old 11-13-2019, 06:58 AM
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DEFINITELY NO PREDATOR (disgusting)!!! I like your sentiment. I do have a variety of engines in my arsenal to choose from, but was wondering what would have likely come on the kart.

A question(s): In the overall scheme of things, was Robron a smaller operation, unlike say Sears or the bigger names where manufacturing would follow stricter guidelines? Is it possible that those wheels could have come on the kart from day one? I just have a feeling that they did. Would having a serial number help in identifying anything on the build? Serial # 3068

On the steering wheel... here comes a shocker... it's original, and I want to find the sticker for the center.
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:53 AM
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As far as I know
Robron is essentially a one man show. (Robert Stanton)
http://www.geocities.ws/robroninc/

But I doubt he ever put Mancos on a Dart...
I assume it came with azusa tri stars

steering wheel is indeed a shocker..
(I'm not a fan of that particular style tbh)
but yeah keeping it makes sense.

I'd bet Mr Stanton can help
if you want to find out about the mfg date of your kart
and what engine and wheels you should expect
he might even still have a sticker or two for you

if I had to guess I'd say if it had an engine when it left his shop
5hp briggs maybe Tecumseh Lhead 4horse and
rolling on Azusa Tristars

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Did I mention it's a small kart... really REALLY small. I attempted to sit down in it but was afraid I'd have to be surgically removed. I do have a Tecumseh 4hp engine. My guess is... unless it was for an experienced little kid to race, a 5hp would be overkill. I do have (4) Briggs 5hp engines all ready to mount on something though.

How do I go about contacting Mr. Stanton? Can he still be reached by calling 843-479-6962 or 843-862-4559?

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Hey, this guy also has a Robron with Manco wheels...
http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21752
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:20 AM
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Yeah it looks quite short,
but is it that much shorter than say the one in your profile pic?
A 4horse Tecumseh is fine I guess..
but I doubt it'll be slower than the 5horse briggs (considering both run at 3600rpms or such usually)

And for the phone number:
Take look at my location to make an educated guess how often I might have called Mr Stanton
considering I do not own a robron kart

See.. give it a shot, what could go wrong?
maybe someone else chimes in ...

I know a fellow member contacted robron via email just recently (onionfmr)
I can't recall if he got a reply tbh, I just assumed he did.
So maybe that's another option (emails in the link above)

Again IDK;
I cannot rule out some robrons left the shop on Manco feet.
I'd wonder and frankly I cannot imagine a reason for that tbh.
BUT I cannot tell for sure.

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The kart in my profile pic is gone...

This Robron measures 58" at the longest points... 7"s longer than my Solex, but the Solex doesn't have anything past the rear axle where the Robron has a rear bumper.

When I just now went out to measure the frame, I decided to sit down in it... SHEESH!!! I didn't have my cell phone on me, and luckily I didn't need it to call the paramedics. STILL, once I have it running, I'm going to attempt a few laps... video forthcoming.

I do have a 2hp, 3hp, 3-1/2hp 4cycle and (2) 3-1/2hp 2cycle engine options.

Where are you located? Is Mr Stanton your neighbor?
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↑↑↑ Location!
Follow the hint →

uh 3.5horse two cycle..
Clinton perhaps? that'd be nice
(looking at the motor mount I'd say it's been a four stroke originally though)
3.5 four stroke sounds like a small combustion volume,
if it has enough grunt to push you forward is not for me to decide.
give it a try, and step up when needed

58"?
that sounds like a full size Rupp to me ..
the ABone had a 44.5" Wheelbase IIRC.
7.5" at the back behind the axle and 6" on the front sounds correct to me
and sets you right at 58" *shrugs*

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Old 11-13-2019, 11:27 AM
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It's a Tecumseh 3.5hp 2 cycle... it's just that I'm dying to put it on something. I have a couple of 5hp Tecumseh 2cyles too... all off of snowblowers. I have no idea how they'd perform on a go kart or a minibike though.

I know it'd be much simpler to just put one of my pretty 5hp Briggs on it and be done. I want all the input I can get beforehand.

I'm hovering around 170lbs now, so I won't kill the thing.

Clintons and McCullochs in good running condition come with a hefty price tag... eventually I'll come across a deal.
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Old 11-13-2019, 11:37 AM
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I'd stick with the 5hp briggs tbh..
however I like two strokes.. and I hold no grudge against tecumseh's either

I don't think it'd be the engine intended for the kart at hand..
but it'd be a viable option.

Sure a Mc9 or 10 would be a blast (an expensive one at that)
as would be a WB820 ... BUT
it's got no floating motor mount, which to me suggests a fun kart variant
(Rupp D300 -esque?)

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2.5horse tecumseh four stroke, 56" total length..
we have some base lines

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I think you've convinced me... a 5hp Briggs, with the governor intact. It can always be removed later.

Nice find on that ad... something small hp was what I suspected. After all, a kart is supposed to be fun for a kid, not frightening.

I still have the Solex to experiment with in the spring.
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While we commonly call those wheels "Manco wheels", I no longer think they are specific to just Manco. Whilst perusing vintage karting photos, I have come across old photos showing those style of wheels on karts that appear to predate Manco by several years, maybe even a decade.

Manco didn't make them in-house, they outsourced them but from whom we shall likely never know.

And my other bone to pick is that go karts weren't (from their inception) designed to fit kids and weren't meant to have acres of legroom for adults either. They were designed to be as small and as lightweight and as compact as possible. The driving posture was bowlegged knees-in-one's-chest....

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AMEN!!! It bugs the **** outta me when a guy can't bend his **** knees. OR... cuts a frame to add 6-8" to the length so he can pimp on his kart. pfft!

I've always figured that kart manufacturers looked for what was already out there rather than having the expense of designing and manufacturing some parts themselves.

Nice old karting image.
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Dude, that kart is a beauty! I'd love to drive it! And I know I can't fit on it! But I'd still hurt myself trying! Awesome find sir!
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many wheels look close to the manco rim..
the inside of a Rupp Turbine for example has twice as many spokes
but every other looks very much like a Manco
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Hands wheels are not unlike Mancos
(like the one on the GoKart image Hellion posted..)

And Ruttman had a somewhat similar rim on some minbikes..
superior? jeez can't remember.. some "<superlative> mfg in nebraska"
made them... wait sensational? ah well

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Dude, that kart is a beauty! I'd love to drive it! And I know I can't fit on it! But I'd still hurt myself trying! Awesome find sir!
THANKS, my sentiments exactly. I'm gonna ride it even if it hurts.

I'm going to try and throw and engine on it and have it functional to take to Thanksgiving dinner for the great-nieces and great-nephews to test drive. Maybe even have some GoPro video to share.

I'll be in S Carolina for all of January and I'm hoping to get the opportunity to speak with Mr. Stanton to pick his brain.
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[QUOTE=itsid;536929]many wheels look close to the manco rim..
the inside of a Rupp Turbine for example has twice as many spokes
but every other looks very much like a Manco
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Even though these wheels came on my kart, I'd really like to find out for sure if they came on it when new. In all the searches that I've done, I've seen many different wheels, and some like mine.

Will Mr. Stanton have the answer? I sure hope he can shed some light on it.
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Honestly, I think if this Robron company was making karts in the 60s, there's a good chance Mr. Stanton is either dead, or in a nursing home on an oxygen machine.
Frankly, if you're not doing a perfect restoration, does it really matter if they're Manco wheels or not? Are you planning to take it vintage racing, or just bash around the neighborhood and the yard?
If you're just going to bash on it, I would swap out the nice cast aluminum wheels for some tough, cheap steel split rims. That way you won't feel so bad if you smack into a pothole and pretzel your rim!
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Honestly, I think if this Robron company was making karts in the 60s, there's a good chance Mr. Stanton is either dead, or in a nursing home on an oxygen machine.
Frankly, if you're not doing a perfect restoration, does it really matter if they're Manco wheels or not? Are you planning to take it vintage racing, or just bash around the neighborhood and the yard?
If you're just going to bash on it, I would swap out the nice cast aluminum wheels for some tough, cheap steel split rims. That way you won't feel so bad if you smack into a pothole and pretzel your rim!
Honestly, I think if this JT guy would have the slightest clue what he's talking about,
there's a good chance he wouldn't have spoken up or his reply would've been significantly different.
Frankly, if he even read the thread and understood what's been said,
he could've known that Mr Stanton was alive and well a few weeks ago,
that this kart is a more modern day re-interpretation of a vintage yard kart
and that it wouldn't qualify for a vintage race anyways just like you cannot bring a Manco AmEx to a vintage kart race.
That way there wouldn't have been no bashing.



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After I test it out with an engine on it, it'll be a winter restoration project. I'm into perfection, so I'll do my best to make it appear showroom new. I have some other karts that can be used for a beating. What are your thoughts on the best way to restore those wheels? I was thinking of using walnut shells to blast them.

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Sid, what kind of kart does it take to qualify for a vintage race? Certain years, certain frame types? On down the road I may want to try it.

Yeah, I've read on too many forums where others have spoken to Mr. Stanton recently.
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