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Budget GoKart 08-24-2019 03:38 PM

Quick Warning to all karters
 
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When racing go karts on the street be very careful because if you hit a friend on a similar kart you will either spin out or flip (i flipped). My tire grabbed the side bar of his go kart, and threw me off of my go kart and almost flipped i was fine and wearing a helmet. ALWAYS WEAR HELMETS NO MATTER WHAT!!!!! The karts where fine just my throttle cable is loose now thats all. Heres some pictures.

JTSpeedDemon 08-24-2019 05:39 PM

Good l'il disclaimer for the newbies to the hobby.:thumbsup:
I have scars just above my right heel to show for the time I crashed my go kart into the curb.
Don't just be careful when racing, be careful ALL THE TIME!
And yes, always wear a helmet.

Dingocat 08-24-2019 07:46 PM

And don't be dumb and jump your kart. It may seem great but is a good way to break it or yourself if you don't land right.

Kartorbust 08-24-2019 08:21 PM

I might suggest a neck brace with a helmet. Whiplash sucks and so does a broken neck. Wear pants not shorts, should be obvious on why.

mckutzy 08-24-2019 09:52 PM

Now ya wonder why I say 40 somthing is fast enough.. 60is too far.. Albeit you may not have gone that fast but still...

anickode 08-25-2019 05:49 AM

Another good suggestion: Don't race go karts on public streets. It's against the law and dangerous. Not just the risk of you getting hit by a car, but if you hit a person out walking, a child, a dog, etc, you will be legally and financially ruined for a very long time.

If you're under 18, your parents will be legally and financially ruined for a very long time.

Private roads are a little different, but if anything happens, you'd have to prove you had permission to be there.

It's an unfortunate thing, but in our sue-happy society, some things aren't worth the risk.

That said, I DO run my karts up and down our gravel back road out in the middle of farm country, but it's straight, flat, I can see a mile ahead and behind, and I'm paying close attention to my surroundings, not focusing on a race. Plus the few neighbors I have along this stretch are usually also out running go karts, ATVs, UTVs, minibikes, dirt bikes, etc on the weekends, so i'm not worried about them calling the police on me for being out there. Back when I lived in a subdivision, no freaking way.

JTSpeedDemon 08-25-2019 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mckutzy (Post 531443)
Now ya wonder why I say 40 somthing is fast enough.. 60is too far.. Albeit you may not have gone that fast but still...

40+ mph is the point where you need to have a well sorted out steering system, grippy tires on balanced and aligned wheels, and lockup capable hydraulic brakes.
Oh, and a full roll cage and seatbelts, not to mention leathers, neckbrace and a full face helmet.
Only then do you have a reasonable safety margin.

Budget GoKart 08-25-2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kartorbust (Post 531432)
I might suggest a neck brace with a helmet. Whiplash sucks and so does a broken neck. Wear pants not shorts, should be obvious on why.

A shirt didnt stop roadburn and pants dont either but it does help a little

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Originally Posted by anickode (Post 531451)
Another good suggestion: Don't race go karts on public streets. It's against the law and dangerous. Not just the risk of you getting hit by a car, but if you hit a person out walking, a child, a dog, etc, you will be legally and financially ruined for a very long time.

If you're under 18, your parents will be legally and financially ruined for a very long time.

Private roads are a little different, but if anything happens, you'd have to prove you had permission to be there.

It's an unfortunate thing, but in our sue-happy society, some things aren't worth the risk.

That said, I DO run my karts up and down our gravel back road out in the middle of farm country, but it's straight, flat, I can see a mile ahead and behind, and I'm paying close attention to my surroundings, not focusing on a race. Plus the few neighbors I have along this stretch are usually also out running go karts, ATVs, UTVs, minibikes, dirt bikes, etc on the weekends, so i'm not worried about them calling the police on me for being out there. Back when I lived in a subdivision, no freaking way.

The only way anyone in my neighborhood ever cares is if property gets damaged or someone gets hurt other than that they can give a crap less. I its a mix of most people are working and leave their kids home and noone cares because kids are off video games and watching go karts go by.

JTSpeedDemon 08-25-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Budget GoKart (Post 531475)
A shirt didnt stop roadburn and pants dont either but it does help a little.

I once crashed my bike at maybe 15-20 mph, and even though I was wearing jeans, I still have a distinct half-dollar sized scar months later.
It tore through the jeans, but I guarantee it would've been MUCH worse without jeans.
And there's a BIG difference between a cotton t-shirt and denim jeans.

anickode 08-25-2019 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JTSpeedDemon (Post 531461)
40+ mph is the point where you need to have a well sorted out steering system, grippy tires on balanced and aligned wheels, and lockup capable hydraulic brakes.
Oh, and a full roll cage and seatbelts, not to mention leathers, neckbrace and a full face helmet.
Only then do you have a reasonable safety margin.

Idk about specifically hydraulic brakes. I wouldn't run 40+ with a normal OEM band brake or scrubbers, but I would trust a mechanical disc as long as it was lockup capable.

Shoot, I have one kart that will run 45mph with a band brake, but I built the brake from scratch, and it will lock 'em up on pavement no problem, even with my fat arse on it. 5" diameter, 1" wide band with ⅜" thick semi-metallic friction material.

Kartorbust 08-25-2019 05:06 PM

It's a matter of wearing jeans vs shorts, at least there is a protective layer between skin and pavement, which is what I was getting at. It wont help much, but the pants will take up a good portion of damage beforehand.

Either way, be smart and careful. Don't pull a Vasily.

BigWes 08-25-2019 05:19 PM

Yea, road rash sucks. I am glad you didn't get seriously injured. I hate that anyone gets hurt at any time and I certainly don't wish it on any one. Especially you young guys. Take care with exhaust pipes and such. Also exposed chains. It's the little things that will get you.

Keep your scratches and scrapes clean so they don't get infected.

As far as brakes go I wish we could all have 4 wheel ABS on our karts but it just isn't feasible. I know that doesn't sound particularly fun but I think it would prevent a lot of crashes.

I know for a fact ABS has saved my life a few times on my Harley with people pulling out in front of me from side streets and crossing in front of me. Folks just don't care anymore and cell phones don't help either.

My post isn't to criticize you. I might have done the very same thing. I think in situations like this it is our own duty to look upon ourselves and do our own criticizing. Which is what I think you have done when you shared this as a warning to others. Nothing wrong with looking out for your fellow man in your own moment of misfortune. Learn from it. Teach what you learn. Don't make the same mistake again. Move on. Do what you do.

JTSpeedDemon 08-25-2019 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by anickode (Post 531494)
Idk about specifically hydraulic brakes. I wouldn't run 40+ with a normal OEM band brake or scrubbers, but I would trust a mechanical disc as long as it was lockup capable.

Yeah, mechanical disc brakes are fine, but of course hydraulic is great if you can get it.
Whatever can lock the wheels up.
Heck, two band brakes might do the trick in a lot of situations!

Dingocat 08-25-2019 06:42 PM

Two of my karts lock up wheels with 1 band.

anickode 08-25-2019 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dingocat (Post 531502)
Two of my karts lock up wheels with 1 band.

At 40+mph?

Dingocat 08-25-2019 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by anickode (Post 531506)
At 40+mph?

One does. Other will at 30. Done it before.

Budget GoKart 08-26-2019 05:16 AM

Brakes wouldnt have helped in this situation ill draw a diagram of what happend and what my freind thinks happend

Dingocat 08-26-2019 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Budget GoKart (Post 531522)
Brakes wouldnt have helped in this situation ill draw a diagram of what happend and what my freind thinks happend

I know what you're sayin. Just talking about something else.

Budget GoKart 08-26-2019 05:50 AM

Basically my drive wheel drove over his front wheel he thinks by dead rear wheel ran his front over but i wouldve just spun out

anickode 08-26-2019 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Budget GoKart (Post 531526)
Basically my drive wheel drove over his front wheel he thinks by dead rear wheel ran his front over but i wouldve just spun out

And that's why concession karts have bumpers that surround the wheels. :lolgoku:

Budget GoKart 08-26-2019 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by anickode (Post 531534)
And that's why concession karts have bumpers that surround the wheels. :lolgoku:

Or bodies that reminds me I need to find a go kart body lol!

madprofessor 10-30-2019 01:20 PM

Brake vs. chain.......
 
Lots of smart talk about brakes here, here's something not included yet.....
A guy told me about a situation where he had a kart using a jackshaft as most do, and he had a brake disc mounted on that shaft instead of on the rear axle. Thought he was being smart because the disc wouldn't get wet there going through wet grass. He got in a bad situation, even had a minor wreck, when the rear chain (driving the axle) broke or jumped off, whichever he said, and guess what, no brakes. Disc could only stop the jackshaft, without a chain the axle "jez kepp on aspinnin".

JTSpeedDemon 10-30-2019 02:59 PM

Scrub brakes are the most reliable!!!
:roflol::roflol:
Ridiculous, but true!
Except they also have the worst braking power. Mine can brake pretty well though, they're just hard on the tires.

J.S.@SMS 10-30-2019 04:47 PM

What about band brakes? And they save the tires.

JTSpeedDemon 10-30-2019 04:54 PM

All that has to happen with band brakes is a little water or oil to get in it and there goes your braking. Or the anchor or control rod to pop off, and kaput. Or even just a worn out band can cause problems.
But yes, they do save the tires.

Smerft85 10-30-2019 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JTSpeedDemon (Post 535782)
All that has to happen with band brakes is a little water or oil to get in it and there goes your braking. Or the anchor or control rod to pop off, and kaput. Or even just a worn out band can cause problems.
But yes, they do save the tires.

Had my control rod pop off on my top speed run, down my street, toward a very busy cross street. Both feet went to the front tires, and got it to slide sideways on some gravel, basically "drifting" my way out of being run over. They are hard to slow down from 40+ when you unexpectedly don't have brakes, and I fully admit I got VERY lucky!

madprofessor 10-30-2019 09:42 PM

Wet brakes in or out........
 
True about band brakes getting wet and fading out. My last project, a minibike, I wanted to avoid that so I went with internal expanding shoes drum brakes, harder to get wet, and still work better than bands when they do. Didn't have the option of a whole lot of cable pull due to the use of a handlebar mounted brake lever, but a kart can get a much greater amount of pull action by proper attachment to the brake pedal.
My brake shoes were dragging in the drum because apparently no drums come perfectly round, or it's that bearings don't come perfectly straight in wheels. Point being I had to adjust them that close to get any real braking with a full pull of the lever, and even then couldn't lock the wheel up. You use those on a kart and you can adjust loose enough not to drag even before being broken in (like mine did) and still get enough pull to lock the tires. All mechanical, very strong grab, hard to get wet, makes for very reliable braking, that being the most important thing.
NOTE: I'm talking about using that setup on a live axle where both rear wheels will brake, not a single wheel brake, that's dangerous.

Bansil 11-05-2019 05:02 PM

:roflol: Dang junior, that wasn't even considered "pizza" back in the early 80's

Between bmx racing, trick riding and motorcycles, my parents were just glad we had tricare or whatever :thumbsup:

wenee9w 11-06-2019 05:31 PM

Glad your ok for the most part. Had one flip in gravel and ride me. Had on shorts, had a strawberry half way up my arse.

Bmr4Karts 11-06-2019 06:32 PM

I probably overdid it with hydraulic brakes on my Manco but me plus the kart add up to over 400lbs and it can hit 50mph. I can lock 9" wide slicks at full speed but it still slides far. I have been thinking about front brakes but at that point I may as well buy a used sprint kart.


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