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tso 11-20-2017 05:19 PM

Tubeless Tires on Wheels Designed for Tubes
 
Hi all, Ive done some searching and experimenting with no luck, so Im turning to those with sage advice. I currently have 13-5x6 tubed tires on 6" steel wheels with 3/4" bearings. I picked them up at tractor supply cheap to get me running a while back but I hate tubed tires. I tried to fit a tubeless tire of the same size to the wheel today, and yes I installed a valve stem too. I cannot get the bead to hold air. The bead is up against the lip, so I believe it is set. I am assuming that these wheels are simply not designed to be used with tubeless tires. If thats the case, please stop me now so I can just buy the right wheels. I dont spend money when not necessary which is why I thought I would try these wheels first. Thanks,

Whitetrashrocker 11-20-2017 05:26 PM

Are the wheels 2 piece?

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What's wrong with tubes?

You don't want to spend excess money but bought the wrong parts knowingly?

tso 11-20-2017 05:35 PM

Im guessing the wheels are 1 piece but Im not sure. They have more of a v-goove where the tire sits.

As for tubes, I had a flat at the valve stem. I understand this is common because the tubes will spin in the rim (due to forces involved). I do not want to deal with this problem over and over. So I didn't order wrong parts, I bought parts I knew I wanted regardless of whether I have to buy wheels or not.

MTNSleder 11-20-2017 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tso (Post 487955)
As for tubes, I had a flat at the valve stem. I understand this is common because the tubes will spin in the rim (due to forces involved).

Put more air in eh? And you can grind the paint off the edge of the rim so your tire stays put... Unless you karts producing 100hp... How many PSI you got in those tires? I usually run 40 psi and don't have problems.. if your running Anything under 30 psi your tires going to spin the tube and bust your valve stem..

Whitetrashrocker 11-20-2017 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MTNSleder (Post 487961)
Put more air in eh? Unless you karts producing lots of torque...

Holy cow! Look everyone sledder is right.

Tubes have to have enough pressure to keep from slipping and ripping off the stem. Also there should be (but not always) a few spikes on the bead of the rim to help hold the tire.

Again, another case of how much pics help us to help you.:cheers2:

MTNSleder 11-20-2017 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitetrashrocker (Post 487962)
Holy cow! Look everyone sledder is right.

I'm a expert in this :) I went through like 100 tubes in a week then figured out that they need more air :D

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I tried tubeless tyres on my tube rims didn't work...

OzFab 11-20-2017 08:45 PM

If the wheels originally had tubes fitted, there's a really good chance they need tubes fitted...

MTNSleder 11-20-2017 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OzFab (Post 487979)
If the wheels originally had tubes fitted, there's a really good chance they need tubes fitted...

:iagree:

the Go Kart noob 11-20-2017 10:24 PM

i am kinda wondering now as well, i pick up some really nice tiers ( i got them cus it said i could run them at 8 psi) but i am now worried about tube ripping out of it because of the low PSI i want them at. i wanted a solid rim but had to use split rim.

itsid 11-21-2017 04:48 AM

tubeless tyres are much tighter fit, on single piece rims,
chances are you cannot even mount them without either destroying the tire's bead or
bending the rim's flange on "meant for tubes" rims.

In case you manage to mount them however.. they should should hold air though.
the flange is a tiny bit different,
especially since rims meant for tubes usually do not have a bead seat;
so the tire bead cannot seal up initially without being held in place.
So for initial inflation just wrap a tensioning belt around the tyre and tie it down (so the bead rests against the flange)

if you have a split rim, you'll need a rubber gasket to wedge betwen the halves.
you can cut one from an old tube for example.. given you have a large enough tube or small enough rim that is.

'sid

PS never file, sand or cut of the flange's thorns, teeth or serrations on "meant for tubed tyre" rims, not even if you want to install tubeless tyres.

MTNSleder 11-21-2017 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by the Go Kart noob (Post 487989)
i am kinda wondering now as well, i pick up some really nice tiers ( i got them cus it said i could run them at 8 psi) but i am now worried about tube ripping out of it because of the low PSI i want them at. i wanted a solid rim but had to use split rim.

If these your the front tires it probably be fine.. if there the back you need to put more air in at least 30 psi...

KingCobra 11-21-2017 10:43 AM

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You can get you some 'BEAD SEALER'(looks like black glue, like liquid tire) and that may do a better job at 'gluing' the tire to the rim and do both sides all the way around the rim.. Worth a try but you better make sure those two halves are WELDED together and not spot welded or bolted together. You have to make sure there's a weld bead all the way around the wheel where they come together. I still doubt it will work or that it should be done.

Problem is you are disturbing the bead of the tire with low tire pressure and tire movement, especially with torque applied.

the Go Kart noob 11-21-2017 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MTNSleder (Post 488015)
If these your the front tires it probably be fine.. if there the back you need to put more air in at least 30 psi...

ya there are for the rear i wanted to run them at low psi to act as a bit of suspension

wardog 11-21-2017 12:07 PM

I am in the same boat. I accidentally bought some 8x7 wheels with no safety bead and want to run a low pressure 22x11-8 tire.... at least the wheels were only like $13 each. Have you considered rim screws? It's basically just sheet metal screws screwed through the rim into the tire bead, but not all the way through. I might try it, or I can buy the proper wheels for $60.

KingCobra 11-21-2017 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wardog (Post 488030)
I am in the same boat. I accidentally bought some 8x7 wheels with no safety bead and want to run a low pressure 22x11-8 tire.... at least the wheels were only like $13 each. Have you considered rim screws? It's basically just sheet metal screws screwed through the rim into the tire bead, but not all the way through. I might try it, or I can buy the proper wheels for $60.

What is your bolt pattern/measurement for them 8" wheels or are they 1" keyed?

4 on 4" bolt pattern.

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