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Smerft85 07-14-2019 12:02 PM

My poor manco dingo project
 
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I'll post up the pictures I currently have, another member opened my eyes and I'm going to fix this one up, I'm sure I'll have a few questions along the way, my first being, this frame was stretched by the p.o. and I'm fairly tall as well, with the amount he added I tiptoe the pedals at full depression. Should I try to take the stretch job out and do my best to get it back to original configuration, or do I fix the stretch to fit me? He has the steering, and pedals almost to the point of non-use, and upside down along with backwards, so I'm going to have to cut the nose off to straighten it, I hope the pictures express what I'm referring to.Attachment 109878

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Smerft85 07-14-2019 03:24 PM

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Mrmonk7663 07-14-2019 05:49 PM

Awesome. Good choice. If the welds on the extension are solid and if it’s square you are probably better off leaving it. For the pedals you could build a box out of angle iron and weld to front of pedal. This would get you off your tip toes and be an easy solution. Throw on some grip tape on the pedal and you are set.

Smerft85 07-14-2019 10:33 PM

I'd say the welds are sketchy at best, I'm no professional but I imagine I could at least keep them under an inch thick weld that only covers half a cut. I'm not sure any of it is even remotely square, I'm guessing he got a new welder, and really wanted to use it bad, and had the latest in eyeball measuring devices. I'll keep my fingers crossed that I can get it closer when I fix the stretched areas, if it were a better job I'd probably leave it alone, but I'm not sure it could handle even a dip in the street above 20mph.

Dingocat 07-14-2019 10:59 PM

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Debating if mine's bettef or worse. Had to bend one of the arms that holds the spindles back. Last person hit something then welded it. So it was an inch back and down. Still rusty, been busy with other projects. As for yours I would cut off all the extra stuff then get rid of the extention or atleast do it right and use smaller pieces inside as well as the same od stuff

Smerft85 07-15-2019 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dingocat (Post 528761)
Debating if mine's bettef or worse. Had to bend one of the arms that holds the spindles back. Last person hit something then welded it. So it was an inch back and down. Still rusty, been busy with other projects. As for yours I would cut off all the extra stuff then get rid of the extention or atleast do it right and use smaller pieces inside as well as the same od stuff

I think I'm going to take a little our of the stretch, after getting the nose up level with the frame I think if I cut hit old junk out, and weld it correctly, I should be able to get full range on the pedals, putting the steering linkage back into the valley will help too.

Yours is in better shape, and I envy you! Last guy that had mine just slapped it together, rode it hard till he broke the exhaust off, collected water and siezed. I got the original 13hp honda to turn over, but she won't fire. I'll probably rob the 9hp honda off the shaller for a while once I get all the body work done. I'm just not sure what to do with the 2:1 reduction wet clutch when I do.

Smerft85 07-15-2019 01:41 AM

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He added an extra bar, moved the steering column forward almost a foot, and when he put the nose on pointing down, welded the front axle supports roughly half inch too high and crooked. I may have to get a little bit custom with mine, but at least I'm trying to get her almost 100%. I got the nose pretty straight, I'll probably do some welding and grinding tomrrow, maybe at least have the front end sorted out.

Mrmonk7663 07-15-2019 02:25 AM

I like how you wasted no time between making the decision and diving right in. I’m sure it’ll be great when finished!

Smerft85 07-15-2019 09:24 AM

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I like how you wasted no time between making the decision and diving right in. Iím sure itíll be great when finished!

I do that a lot, sometimes it works out well, other times not so much, there is an engine involved, so there is hope.

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Should I be entering this into the build-off?

Smerft85 07-18-2019 07:49 AM

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Debating if mine's bettef or worse. Had to bend one of the arms that holds the spindles back. Last person hit something then welded it. So it was an inch back and down. Still rusty, been busy with other projects. As for yours I would cut off all the extra stuff then get rid of the extention or atleast do it right and use smaller pieces inside as well as the same od stuff

Did you remove the floor pan or did you get it that way?

Smerft85 07-20-2019 03:49 PM

Haven't started any welding yet, but have removed the floor pan, that revealed the couple welds he did on the main frame, as well as the stretch job are not complete welds, and his extra tubing was welded in very uneven. I've been grinding down all of the bad welds, and just about have the frame cleaned up and prepped for proper fab work. I think he shortened the height of the backrest of the seat as well, and the steering hoop is crooked as well. I'm starting to wish I would have found one that hadn't been cut up in the first place, but I'll get it I'm sure.

Dingocat 07-20-2019 04:27 PM

Took it off, air hammer through the floorpan around the welds then ground them off. Have material to put on it that is rust free and also hole free.

Dingocat 07-20-2019 05:10 PM

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Smerft85 07-22-2019 11:57 AM

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Oh buddy, that is comparable to mine, I cut it off as well only to find crooked pipes welded in, now I've cut everything off just in front of the seat, I bet the pics make you feel better about yours now. I'm putting pipe inside new pipe that actually matches the original steel on the frame, I'll grind that weld flush, then weld a 3" sleeve over the new pipe and frame making it triple ply steel at the new seam, and I cut the front end off at the steering axle tube. Still wondering if this should be in the build-off or not, would it qualify?

Smerft85 07-22-2019 12:21 PM

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Step one done! And it's straighter than before by a long shot!

Smerft85 07-22-2019 01:47 PM

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Ready for the sleeves!

Smerft85 07-22-2019 08:30 PM

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Sleeves about finished, then onto re-mounting the steering tube and nose.

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Mrmonk7663 07-22-2019 09:00 PM

Good job. Coming along!

Dingocat 07-22-2019 09:11 PM

Moving quick! Makes me want to work on mine

Smerft85 07-22-2019 11:10 PM

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Moving quick! Makes me want to work on mine

Well get on it! Lol. I was actually going to ask you what pitch the steering hoop is on yours if that's all factory, I'm going to have to replace the steering column so I'd rather make it longer instead of moving the hoop forward again. If you are able to help out with that I'd greatly appreciate it.

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Good job. Coming along!

Thank you! Still trying to decide if I'm going to sleep, or finish the frame instead tonight. :popcorn:

Dingocat 07-23-2019 12:04 AM

My hoop has had acouple inches of pipe added to the middle of it, not even eithor, so it's kinda high up compaired to yard kart standards and is also alittle crooked

Smerft85 07-23-2019 01:02 AM

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I think I like the flow, front end is welded, going to grind and touch up the rough welds, steering pitch looks comfortable to me and seems like it will operate properly once it's all welded up, I really didn't like the steering column being a full 12" forward of factory location. I swear I have found more cut corners on this kart than I thought I would.

Mrmonk7663 07-23-2019 01:26 AM

Lol. I hear ya. I do most of my kart work at night as well.

Dingocat 07-24-2019 11:27 PM

I'm told to come inside at 10/10:30 each night otherwise I'd be in the barn for another 3 hours lol. we've seen lots of pictures of your frame but how about that engine?

Smerft85 07-24-2019 11:45 PM

Well, when I got it home the honda 13hp that was on it was siezed, the picture I posted earlier of the broken exhaust acted as a funnel for the rain to fill the top of the cylinder, before I found the forum I had already removed the head and got it to free up, honed the section after scrubbing with oil and rags, checked for spark and put it back together. It turns over with the rope, but is probably going to be set aside for later, and I'm scavenging a honda 9hp from my shaller kart, the jackshaft and clutch stuff from the 13hp will all bolt over when I'm ready. Till I get the dingo painted and rolling I'll keep the shaller to drive as it sits, for now...

Smerft85 07-29-2019 06:25 PM

Had a good weekend out camping and fishing, now it's back to the dingo! I should have all the welding other than a new floor pan by tonight. It will need a complete paint job because there isn't much left as it sits now, my wife says a bright metallic blue, what are your votes for color? I was thinking about making it match my big(ger) off road toy and doing a camoflauge job on it, but I'm open to suggestions! :cheers2:

Dingocat 07-29-2019 08:42 PM

Mine will probably be black and grey. About time for paint for me too.

Smerft85 07-29-2019 09:24 PM

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Mine will probably be black and grey. About time for paint for me too.

Raiders colors? Don't know about all that brother! :smiley_omg:

Dingocat 07-29-2019 09:44 PM

Hmmmm. I honestly don't care lmao. Not going to be browns colors that's for sure.

Smerft85 07-30-2019 01:06 AM

We can agree there for sure! I tend to want to do what everyone else isn't doing. If I could afford it I'd go get something like plumb crazy purple and have it sprayed with ppg auto paint, but even my friend that paints would have to charge me probably $650 minimum for time and materials, can't justify my gokart looking better than my motorcycle!

Smerft85 07-30-2019 11:51 AM

Almost got all the welding done, up until my grinder caught a corner in the frame, jumped free of my hands, and busted me in the face while still running, I decided it was time to call it a night after that. Maybe I'll get back to it tonight, but my face still hurts.

Mrmonk7663 07-30-2019 12:01 PM

****. Glad you are ok. My grinder did the same 3 days ago. Jumped hard when it caught and destroyed the flap disc. Luckily it didn’t hit me. Be safe!!

Dingocat 07-30-2019 12:37 PM

As he said. Good thing you're ok, got a dremel flat disk that discinigrated and hit me in the face. Fun times.

Smerft85 07-30-2019 12:41 PM

Not my first run-in with a grinder, I've got a 7" scar across my thigh from the same grinder roughly 6 years ago, dewalt grinders last forever!! I'll be ok and thank you guys for looking out, it was enough to hurt and make me feel pretty dumb, but the welds look really nice by my standards!

Smerft85 08-02-2019 10:00 PM

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And this is what happens when you show your tools you just won't take it anymore! Bonus points if anyone knows what my floor pan came from!

Dingocat 08-02-2019 10:11 PM

Studebaker somethin lol. Really cool. I ran out of primer and my friend drew a large "sausage" on it so no pic for now lol. No springer spindles?

Smerft85 08-02-2019 10:32 PM

No springers yet, running out of the little bit of money I have. Going to need one more can of paint when I finish fixing the roll cage. It was a late 40's Studebaker stepside, two wheel drive, gives it character, plus the tailgate was the only piece of steel I had big enough. Better than the old one by a long shot. Once I can order the correct brake caliper I'll start robbing the shaller kart to finish this one up, at least make it driveable while I rebuild the 13hp engine.

Dingocat 08-02-2019 10:50 PM

Mine had springers already, got new springs because the ones on it were shot. As well as spindles because the old ones had seen better days. Will probably use them on something else.

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Could you get a pic of the clutch on the 13? Looks like a 30.

Mrmonk7663 08-03-2019 12:06 AM

It is looking awesome. Paint looks nice. Pretty much the same color as my yerfdog.

Dingocat, what spindles did you buy? The 2457?

Smerft85 08-03-2019 07:48 AM

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It is looking awesome. Paint looks nice. Pretty much the same color as my yerfdog.

Dingocat, what spindles did you buy? The 2457?

Thank you! The blue is called oasis blue matte, I got something for the wheels and a few small pieces, but I'm waiting till it's rolling to show that. Hoping a deal I've been working on happens today, two more manco's!


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