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redsox985
05-13-2011, 10:47 PM
So, now that we're scooping up the last of the blue clones, who's going to be the first to endeavor out there and test a predator 212cc? HF's site says these come with a cast iron bore and precision machined block. Why does it seem that, recently, they've stopped using HP ratings and have started rating them by the ft./lbs. of torque? I've seen this all over when we were looking for a new lawnmower and in this predator series where they list the ft./lbs. of torque, not HP. Apparently, Honda has ended the GX series and has debuted the IGX series, which is not compatible internally with the GX line.

B man
05-13-2011, 10:55 PM
how long you reckon the blue clones would hang around?

jrmints1415
05-13-2011, 11:26 PM
No stores around where i live have them. i got the last one that is even remotely close to chicago! If you want to buy one today and tomorow are your only options.

newrider3
05-13-2011, 11:51 PM
they've stopped using HP ratings and have started rating them by the ft./lbs. of torque? I've seen this all over when we were looking for a new lawnmower and in this predator series where they list the ft./lbs. of torque, not HP.

Quite a few of the big manufacturers have faced lawsuits due to false HP claims.

fowler
05-14-2011, 05:02 AM
it would be very hard to get engines to a set horse power

every engine is differant

i havent seen hp in pamfletes or websites for ages

only recently have they stopped printing the hp on the engine its self

Russ2251
05-14-2011, 02:56 PM
Newrider3 got it right.
I posted an article about this fact some time ago.

Bluethunder3320
05-14-2011, 03:29 PM
well i wouldnt buy an engine unless i knew how much power it made.

kendelrk
05-14-2011, 03:43 PM
i wouldnt trust a predator with anything

kendelrk
05-14-2011, 03:53 PM
so we had honda clones, what are thesse, briggs clones?

kendelrk
05-14-2011, 03:55 PM
http://www.harborfreight.com/predator-346-cc-ohv-horizontal-shaft-gas-engine-68136.html

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415nxRNS3gL.jpg&imgrefurl=http://magicboxrymes.co.cc/stratton-briggs-i-c-horizontal-ohv-engine.html&usg=__2_QCNzIpBIEvMcMTLOHYFn9DE0w=&h=400&w=400&sz=31&hl=en&start=28&zoom=0&tbnid=jrrjBwB5c08fiM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=124&ei=kuvOTe_-H86gtgfwn53kDQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmondern%2Bbriggs%2Bhorizontal%26um%3D 1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D809%26tb m%3Disch0%2C800&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=482&vpy=547&dur=81&hovh=124&hovw=124&tx=81&ty=88&page=2&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:24,s:28&biw=1440&bih=809

redsox985
05-14-2011, 06:00 PM
^^^ That proves nothing. These are something strange because of their displacement. As for HP and not being directly stated, just use displacement (as long as it's the same style engine, industrial-industrial not industrial-bike)

sexyvicta
05-14-2011, 06:11 PM
well i wouldnt buy an engine unless i knew how much power it made.

remember these type of engines are made to power machines like lawnmowers etc etc. I reckon the torque figures they give are more relevent anyway

honda still give hp ratings and alot of the handheld twostokes have a hp/kw rating

r97
05-14-2011, 06:26 PM
one review already,
http://www.harborfreight.com/engines-generators/gas-engines/predator-212-cc-ohv-horizontal-shaft-gas-engine-certified-for-all-states-except-california-68120.html

Bluethunder3320
05-14-2011, 06:34 PM
one review already,
http://www.harborfreight.com/engines-generators/gas-engines/predator-212-cc-ohv-horizontal-shaft-gas-engine-certified-for-all-states-except-california-68120.html

LOL he said they were waterproof!!!

kendelrk
05-14-2011, 06:35 PM
haha is it ak47 proof? i should write a review that gives it 5 stars just to show its a bad engine

Bluethunder3320
05-14-2011, 06:39 PM
well who knows how they run.... they just look crappy

(and there might be some relation there)

kendelrk
05-14-2011, 06:52 PM
yeah the greyhounds look cleaner and better they look like peices of **** http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/68000-68999/68120.pdf

redsox985
05-14-2011, 09:38 PM
Shipping weight: 1.00lbs. I wonder if they're really cheap to have shipped?

kendelrk
05-21-2011, 03:29 PM
probablly not. they still have 11 and 13 horse and my harbor fright in clones, but i was looking at the predator engines they have and they look like ****, there low quality, the choke lever and fuel is hard to bull open and **** they look like **** the pull start broke when someone was looking at it, just no

anderkart
05-31-2011, 09:28 AM
I found an alternative to these seemingly crappy predators.


Yeah, here it is} http://www.arcracing.com/servlet/the-510/Dupor-BSP-Honda-Clone/Detail

redsox985
05-31-2011, 02:31 PM
But that's not as fun as an engine with all pistons and no valves!

kendelrk
06-08-2011, 09:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS9lfhQckOA&feature=related this prives there ****

Bluethunder3320
06-08-2011, 09:42 PM
I had a differential in my kart, it eas easy to steer, exept when you took hard turns it spun up the inside wheel. So, i welded it up.

Its harder to turn but i get better traction.

Good ideas!

redsox985
06-09-2011, 11:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS9lfhQckOA&feature=related this prives there ****

Slow down there. Unless they changed the airbox there, that isn't a predator.

http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/370x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_10447.jpg

gokart14
06-09-2011, 01:08 PM
here is the manual to the predator engine

http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/68000-68999/68121.pdf

anderkart
06-09-2011, 05:31 PM
this prives there ****

Yeah right, like there's never been a hf/blue-clone recoil failure in recorded history... sheez!

prives:--> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=hts&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enUS369US369&q=prives

Bluethunder3320
06-09-2011, 05:34 PM
the clone in that mini bike isnt a predator im pretty sure. i have the EXACT same engine in the exact same bike, and i have a greyhound.

one thing is certain, the baja-clone is WAY better than a greyhound.


ill have to go tell you what the airbox says, i remember there was a company name.

Blazkowiez
06-09-2011, 11:20 PM
The baja clone seems to be the exact same as the greyhound man, they're both Lifan and being churned out of the same factory. What basis are you going on to say it is better?

wall gator
06-10-2011, 12:15 AM
IMHO.....I WOULD GO WITH THE YELLOW CLONE(DUCAR OR DOPOR) WHY?...!1 BETTER TOLLERENCE'S THRU- OUT THE MOTOR #2 PRICE $99.00+/- #3 AVAILIBUALTY #4 NO MORE BLUE'S #5 NO GOV. OR LOW OIL SWITCH(LESS WORK-ALREADY DONE)......OH YEAH, REMEMBER NO GAS TANK OR MUFFLER! THIS IS THE BASIC MOTOR ALL THE RACER'S USE IN THE CLONE CLASS......WITH PROPER PARTS, YOU CAN MAKE THEM SCREAM!!! 25/30 HP POSSIBLE:drool5:

newrider3
06-10-2011, 12:40 AM
25/30 HP POSSIBLE:drool5:

:surrender:

Let's see some dyno slips for that, por favor.

anderkart
06-10-2011, 10:09 AM
:surrender:

Let's see some dyno slips for that, por favor.

I dont have any dyno slips to post, but he's actually pretty dam close there for all-out/cost is no object builds.

(although I'll agree that his little cap-lock issue there certainly lowers his credibility level, and I'd also point out that most guys taking on a full-race build like this would be knowledgeable enough to start out with a genuine GX200 block for its higher quality)

You wont find much hardcore race engine info here on T/B, but you would researching at this site:
http://karting.4cycle.com/forumdisplay.php?f=72
http://karting.4cycle.com/forumdisplay.php?f=120

redsox985
06-10-2011, 01:46 PM
IMHO.....I WOULD GO WITH THE YELLOW CLONE(DUCAR OR DOPOR) WHY?...!1 BETTER TOLLERENCE'S THRU- OUT THE MOTOR #2 PRICE $99.00+/- #3 AVAILIBUALTY #4 NO MORE BLUE'S #5 NO GOV. OR LOW OIL SWITCH(LESS WORK-ALREADY DONE)......OH YEAH, REMEMBER NO GAS TANK OR MUFFLER! THIS IS THE BASIC MOTOR ALL THE RACER'S USE IN THE CLONE CLASS......WITH PROPER PARTS, YOU CAN MAKE THEM SCREAM!!! 25/30 HP POSSIBLE:drool5:

What's wrong with you that you feel compelled to type in all caps? It looks horrid.

wall gator
06-10-2011, 05:54 PM
:oops:MOSTLY, DUE TO AGE AND DISABILITES! I CAN ONLY TYPE WITH ONE FINGER IS KINDA HARD TO REACH THE SHIFT KEY AND ANOTHER KEY AT THE SAME TIME!! SORRY GUY'S, IT'S EITHER ALL CAPS(I CAN READ THEM) OR ALL LOWER CASE....LET ME KNOW, WHAT TO DO.....WALT :toetap05:

wall gator
06-10-2011, 06:28 PM
:surrender:

Let's see some dyno slips for that, por favor.

i have no slip's..might wanna ask "mdb"(master of clone's) the high 25/30 hp clones are billet(block/rod/heads/side cover) 3"bore/bigggg valves and ported heads...ALONG WITH BIG H.P. IS BIG MONEY.....THESE ARE MINI DRAG BIKE'S(EVERY WEEK-ON THE STREET) PURPOSED BUILT RACE MOTORS...WALT

dinot71
06-16-2011, 09:06 AM
Has anyone used one of these Harbor Freight Predator 6.5 hp 212 cc engines? Can some please write a review because I am thinking about picking one up this weekend.

matt8960
07-15-2011, 01:57 PM
I put up a review on the HF website, I like them better than the greyhound personally

redsox985
07-15-2011, 09:05 PM
Please elaborate Matt!

Robs Manco
10-10-2011, 09:16 PM
I have one of those Predator Harbor Freight engines on the way. Replacment for the blown up Tecumseh in my kids Yerf Dog. Should be here in a few days. I'll post a reveiw at some point.

frankysfree
01-03-2012, 01:46 PM
Just use the torque number to find HP, afterall hp is just a calculation based on the torque reading...

cant kech me
02-28-2012, 09:01 PM
I found an alternative to these seemingly crappy predators.

http://www.new4stroke.com/

This is really cool. It's a 4 stroke with no valves and multiple cylinders.

interesting:idea2:

hd_fatster
04-30-2012, 06:32 PM
Hello, I am new here, just registered to diygokarts today because I wanted to get some information on the predator 212 engine and seen some pretty good information here, both real experience and theoretical. My project I have in mind is a bicycle based trike using the predator engine and possibly a "Torque a Verter" clutch, using both pedal power and Predator. My first thought is a tadpole trike design (two wheels in front) might change my mind and go with two wheels in rear.

Anyway, there is very limited information out on the net from what I am looking for. From what HF specs say is it idles at 1800 rpm. That seems pretty high...anyone agree or disagree with that number? I haven't been able to find what the max (governed RPM) speed is. Does anyone care to guess? I watched a couple youtube videos where they started the engines and left them at idle and it didn't sound anywhere near 1800, but I could very well be wrong...then they run it up to full throttle and it sounded maybe 1-1/2 times the idle speed....again anyone care to comment on that? So really I am just trying to calculate engine speed to the specs I seen on the torque a verter clutch I am thinking of using to calculate the overall range of vehicle speed.

thanks,
Jim Bailey

souperman000
04-30-2012, 06:49 PM
Try starting your own thread on the topic, you will get better responses

Br@ndoM@n
07-10-2012, 03:05 PM
anyhow to get back on topic. Anyone else notice the Predator 420 isnt listed on HF website anymore. They discontinud it or out of stock?

anderkart
07-16-2012, 04:04 PM
I think calling these engines "Predator" was kind of a bad Idea...


http://t.qkme.me/3otro7.jpg

realfast89gt
07-16-2012, 04:44 PM
I think calling these engines "Predator" was kind of a bad Idea...


http://t.qkme.me/3otro7.jpg

Sandusky engines sounds similiar for some reason?

anderkart
07-16-2012, 07:22 PM
Lol ;)

redsox985
07-25-2012, 05:19 PM
Can a mod do some clean up around here? That'd be wonderful!

Doc Sprocket
07-26-2012, 01:59 PM
Can a mod do some clean up around here? That'd be wonderful!

Done!:thumbsup:

Ahmed
11-10-2012, 01:48 PM
Hi, i'm buying a 212cc PREDATOR for my Go Kart but the manual - http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/68000-68999/68136.pdf - says not to use the engine on a vehicle. Should I still use the engine?

CUCUY
11-10-2012, 01:59 PM
Hi, i'm buying a 212cc PREDATOR for my Go Kart but the manual - http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/68000-68999/68136.pdf - says not to use the engine on a vehicle. Should I still use the engine?

do it, do it now!

they will tell you that they do not recommend to use on a driven vehicle to cover their own ***, but you can take it and do with it as you please.

i have one on my yerf dog and it's very very nice!

Ahmed
11-11-2012, 09:25 AM
My 212CC PREDATOR needs to able to carry 450Lbs. I've seen at - http://www.nr-racing.com/Predator.htm - that unmodded PREDATORs' can run 2500RPM, if you remove the governor it runs 5500RPM. If I run at max RPM can I damage the engine?

fowler
11-11-2012, 09:59 AM
an unmodded engine runs at 3600rpm
thats a world standard for industrial engines

if u remove the govener u can get 5000 to 55000rpm then the valves bounce (the vavles cant return fast enough between strokes)

if u do some serious mods u can get 8000rpm

the engine will wear out faster doing that high rpm but slightly faster

removing the governer on a bone stock clone and holding it pinned at 5500rpm all day isnt rekomended and can cause engine faliure
its done on karts more as a nos type thing
quick shots of speed

Ahmed
11-11-2012, 05:08 PM
OK, so I will only adjust the governor to 4500RPM. I need to know if the engine can haul 450Lbs at a 4.0 (12 to 48) gear ratio.

Doc Sprocket
11-11-2012, 05:12 PM
Before we get too far here, this thread is supposed to be for general info, thoughts, and experience with the "new" Predator series engine. Start your own thread, and we'll see what we can work out.

FatCat
11-11-2012, 08:10 PM
Quite a few of the big manufacturers have faced lawsuits due to false HP claims.

Yep! Horsepower is a good reference number but the torque is the important number. Torque is what gets you there, horsepower just keeps you there. Also along with this false hp claims. A while back Yamaha got nailed for the tachs on the r6's I believe. They were inaccurate in the high RPM's. Guys were putting them on dyno's and not getting close to the peak rpm Yamaha was claiming on the high side. This was a sales tactic. They were claiming to be the highest revving of the common rockets.(truth is... Only the tach was :roflol:) This is that emotional horsepower I've told you guys about. Some silly punk buys it and because the tach goes way high he feels like it's the baddest ride on the planet. This is wild to hear of a major company doing dirty little tricks like this. Sucks that you can't even trust the manufacturer. Always remember guys. If it sounds to good to be true. It is...... Yep, yor not the exception to the rule. If you ask yourself this question your about to be screwed.:thumbsup: